Projects The bucket of ugly! A de-uglifying thread...

Yup, knew them well!!! I'm trying to remember the names involved, but your dad's name wouldn't be Mike, would it?

 

I started a thread on painting at home in the driveway and garage. If we can get 128 pages on a bucket of ugly, surely we can get some painting stories and pictures

 

Chip, you mentioned before you figured you had damaged your health by spraying the modern icocynate based paints at home, Hemideuce was mentioning the same thing last week. I have an O/T deal that needs paint, but I am scared of the health risks involved with the modern base/clears, thinking of getting someone else to do it. I have shot cars in acrylic lacquer several times, and would use it again in a heartbeat on a hot rod, but this particular vehicle is going to be parked outside, haul steel, lumber and manure on occasion, lacquer is not in the cards. I'm honestly too scared to shoot base/clear, because of the potential health risks.

 

[/QUOTE]Chip, you mentioned before you figured you had damaged your health by spraying the modern icocynate based paints at home, Hemideuce was mentioning the same thing last week. I have an O/T deal that needs paint, but I am scared of the health risks involved with the modern base/clears, thinking of getting someone else to do it. I have shot cars in acrylic lacquer several times, and would use it again in a heartbeat on a hot rod, but this particular vehicle is going to be parked outside, haul steel, lumber and manure on occasion, lacquer is not in the cards. I'm honestly too scared to shoot base/clear, because of the potential health risks.[/QUOTE]

I use it all the time at work and as long as you wear good overalls, gloves etc and use a properly fitted mask with the correct filters you should have no problems health wise. However you should also use a booth if possible with extractor fan and filters. i made my own temporary booth with the proverbial blue tarps when i sprayed the roadster

roadster 143 (Medium) by k1w1rodder posted Mar 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM

roadster 145 (Medium) by k1w1rodder posted Mar 5, 2013 at 1:39 PM

 

I use it all the time at work and as long as you wear good overalls, gloves etc and use a properly fitted mask with the correct filters you should have no problems health wise. However you should also use a booth if possible with extractor fan and filters. i made my own temporary booth with the proverbial blue tarps when i sprayed the roadster

roadster 143 (Medium) by k1w1rodder posted Mar 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM

roadster 145 (Medium) by k1w1rodder posted Mar 5, 2013 at 1:39 PM

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Blue tarps... I'll use silver, natch... I dont know, maybe I'm being an old lady about this. I hope Chip will chime in here, either here, or on Blue Ones thread. Or maybe if you want to Chip, you can talk to me about it by PM.

 

No, but I know who Mike is. Dave was my dad. He was usually at the API store on Washington most of the time.

 

I mentioned over on my thread that I have picked up a Hobby Air supplied breathing air system.
There are other suppliers of them too.
With a fresh breathing air supply the isocyanates in catalysed paints should be no problem
I'm going to spray a single stage Urethane.
Larry.

 

Thanks Larry. I think maybe I'll investigate further, and keep reading your thread. 45 years never really even thought about my health, then you have a kid and EVERYTHING changes...

 

Sounds good. As a welder-fabricator all my life respiratory protection has always been in the front of my mind.
With a good supply of breathing air and the low overspray from a HVLP turbine I believe my own paint work will be do-able and safe.
Larry

 

I have heard its dangerous even mixing this stuff without proper protection. But my thinking was the same on the HVLP turbine deal, it should help at least...

 

With the proper breathing apparatus you'll be fine. What got me was the fact that I was about the first in the St.Paul area to shoot the urethane product when it came out in late '80-'81 at the shop I worked it. That was long before they knew what it would do to painters, and how to properly filter the air they worked in. So I pretty much was the lab rat. The first job came out so nice that my boss brought in a whole mixing station at the shop, and I shot the stuff all year, with a then high quality charcoal mask. Didn't help one bit that I'm an asthmatic, either.

These days if somebody even pops the top off of a urethane hardener, I'm bed ridden for a week. Keeps me from hanging out with the wrong crowd...

 

Iso's are dangerous there are no two ways about it but if you take some reasonable precautions and are not exposed to them all the time they can be safely sprayed at home. That being said some people are way more susceptible to the effects than others so until you are exposed you have no idea how your body will react. To properly protect yourself and set up to spray at home, if it is just a sort or work/beater vehicle, it will cost you less and be less hassle to go someplace like Maaco and get one of their less expensive completes than try and do it at home.

 

I like that.... I'm starting to feel a little more comfortable, from what I understand, I should "suit up" and wear a mask even to mix it. Once I get the new garage up, maybe I will take a shot at it in the spring. I have one of those Costco "car tent" deals and a squirrel cage, I think that will become my new spray booth. Probably best if the nieghbours cant see what I am doing...

 

I have been using two stage Uracryls for a number of years and from the manufacturers I've learned to suit up, use gloves when mixing and a really good mask when spraying. The isocyanates are realeased when the product is atomised thru the spray nozzle not when mixing. Filters on extractors as well. But with all industrial processes safety should all ways come first.

 

George, Good to read up and take the precautions! I made up a positive air supply, using 40' Home Depot ice-cube refrigerator hose and plumb-ed it into a spare mask. Then have a full face shield, gloves, all skin covered, and a sock-hat. No areas exposed! Finally, when it's done, give it overnight, before peeking at it! (Don't ask, even four hours later, it still will affect ya.) At least the stuff lays down nicely in non-metallics, like the old Ford colors.

 

I have heard otherwise, from more than one source. I will research the filter thing. I keep going back and forth on this, "Yes, I can safely use this stuff at home, no I cant." Right now, I'm back in "cant" mode...

 

All the MSDS I've read for anything containing isocyanates say to use a supplied air respirator during mixing, application, and until all vapors are exhausted.

 

That is what I have read/heard as well. Remember Union Carbide? Bhopal??

 

I'll tell you what I tell my students, take the t off of that can't
If you wear the supplied air respirator when working with the 2 part paints you will not have an issue.
Painters coveralls and cover up and all is fine.

 

The Isocyanates shit sounds way too dangerous. Before they became a "the" paint to use, what was the paint that proceeded it? Are those older, and slightly safer paints still available? If so, why are the dangerous paints being used by hobbyists? These base coat clear coat paints don't look very traditional to me.....they look too shinny and too much like plastic. Is the old acrylic enamel stuff reasonably safe?

 

Paint has never been safe to spray or breathe ever. It has always been a mixture of chemicals and pigments.
Even the new waterborne low VOC paints will not be good for you breathing the overspray mist into your lungs.
Heck I had an old 1927 National Geographic magazine and there was a full page ad in it promoting the advantages and superiority of lead based paints.
You always need to protect yourself no matter what you spray.

 

Good old lacquer, and acrylic enamel. When the 'Bucket gets done, it'll be acrylic...

 

Hey, FG;
Now I feel even worse - stuck w/a lowly dual-point only, WC dist... ;( . Oh well... I was rather excited for you there... .
The dual-ality thing *is* your future. I really wonder, since it'll be shelbyized, (& somehow, I'm seeing a cobalt blue w/a pair of wimbleton white racing stripes down the center) if you put two really small gloveboxes in the dash, one on each side, & had loads of other dual-items (I'm waiting for those "piiiIIIIppess, that wrap up over your head forming dual rollbars, wait'll those kids in those chevys see these piiiiIIIIppessss...!" . Don't think that one has been done yet...), how many folks would get the connection. & you just *have* to have a speedo the goes to 200mph, & at the bottom says"Oh wow!". . If all that doesn't ring a bell for folks, maybe a flip-down plaque that says "this T was built for FalconGeorge, will do 200mph, & is faster than anything Steve McQueen owns". & maybe autographed by Bill Cosby, too? . Dare I mention the limp Italian racing scarf & yellow tennis shoes... . This could really get to be fun... .

I think on the two wives deal. That may sound like fun at first, but the compromises needed w/one are enough, I actually can't imagine 2... & the expenses... :O .

BlueOne: How do you handle the fresh air deal? I can see using a set of scuba or firefighter tanks, but dumping the fumes outside should just let them swirl around & get picked up around the garage where your fresh air inlet is. I'm serious - I'm not seeing this, so a serious discussion here or on your paint thread would be very helpful.

Missysdad:
When I was in the SAAC club, IIRC, the Cosby & Shelby roadsters came up. I seem to remember that they used dual-paxtons, not turbos, & at least Shelbys' 427 used the cast-iron 3sp automatic. Supposedly they were identical, in that as Shelby was building one for Cosby, he couldn't be one-upped, & had to at least match it. In a story told at one of the SAAC meets, a guy named Lew (Spencer?) (very hi up in the Shelby company, & tied in w/Ford - I think) was driving it, the trans dropped from 3rd to 1st, spun him around like a top ,on a hiway going over a bridge, w/o hitting anything. After he got the car stopped, he got out, called Shelby, told him to come & get it 'cause he would never ever set foot in it again! . On Cosbys' car, I had read, in a RodAction mag, that the Cosby car had been severely wrecked, going off of a cliff into a lake, (& upside down?). The pic showed a lot of flattened aluminum... Anyways the guy who bought it, Sabarro (I think), used the engine & driveline, + front & rear suspension, & some other details from the car, to build a *very* nice T tub. I don't know what the real truth is/was concerning these two cars, but typically, legend is larger than life. & more than one Cobra has been "rebuilt" from little more than a firewall tag. Which has led to some real "interesting" issues/problems. . If you know, I'd like to know. I bailed out of the SAAC club in the late 80's when they priced me out of it. ;( . Oh well... .

Marcus...

 

Hey, Chip;

I finally found an orange that I *love*! Better than bright copper. For the 1st time, I'd seriously consider orange!. & w/a bright white interior, = killer.
Have you seen this thread? :
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/kustom-from-outher-space-france-calling.941560/page-3 .
Posts 71, 72, 81, 84, & 144. Worth the look. .

Marcus...

 

Yup, as I mentioned in my original post, they were Paxtons. These blowers are also shown in Rick Wurth's photos taken during the resurrection. The car had been changed to Webers for road racing, but Rick changed it back to the correct Paxtons, requiring the fabrication of the bracketry to do so.

This car IS NOT the Cosby car, which was wrecked beyond repair (so I have come to understand) the remains of which were trundled off to Merry Ol' England (as rumor has it) and disappeared. The paperwork, however, is still in dispute with no less than four individuals claiming to "own" the Cosby car because they claim to possess the title, etc., but do not have possession of the car itself.

And the beat rolls on...

 

The fresh air can be handled in a number of ways.
The Hobby air small turbine breathing air supply system I have can be placed outside behind the garage, they actually sell a through the wall pipe fitting to do just that.
When it's isolated behind the garage and you are venting out the other end it will work fine.
I have a garden shed behind the garage, I have considered putting it in there as the shed is nice and cool sitting under a tree even in the summer heat.

Another way to handle it is to place the air supply unit in a separate bay of the shop, some guys have placed them in a basement for cooler air, it all depends on the place you plan to paint.

Of course the primary consideration will be far enough away from the stuff you are trying to avoid.
Larry.

 

And on that topic, my concern is also for those not painting. If I set up temporary booth to blow out, use proper mask and clothing, that my protect me. But what about my family, the neighbor kids, pets and anyone else that will be nearby? Acrylics may be somewhat safer, but I assume that goes away once you add a hardener.

 

Oh by the way, here's an on topic post just for fun...

 

Wow I like that T. Wonder why.

Oh buy the way mine was painted with Centari twenty-five years ago and still shines nicely.

 

Absolutely cool!!! But, I do have my heart set on very bright straight orange without any pearl or "effects" to it. That is a cool little French custom though. There was a editor working for TRM about thirty years ago that was a French transplant Named Phillip Dahnne, that brought over his chopped Simca when he came to the states. Some of those weird little euro cars have some neat lines to them.