Hot Rods Quick Change, Quickchange

nice thread....thanks...

 

As I recall, I used the 28 spline gears and they had to be cut back so they meshed with the set up. I didn't do anything but grind them with a hand grinder. I will see if I have the complete information in my files. Not all 28 spline spider gear will fit only certain years. More later…

 

Cool! Thank you very much!

 

This is all good info. I have a 10' Winters under my 32 now, that I converted from a stock car unit. Put in new tubes with 9" bearing ends and 31 spine axles. I have 14,000 miles on it. I have a coupe of other units, and some early bells that I want to use someday.


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Here is the new Winters side adapters used on the Champ case – 11 bolt case. I don't think you can use the EF housings with this set up but their housings are excellent.

Lynn, I was under the impression that the early Ford axle tubes WOULD bolt up to the Winters adaptor plates. Do you have first hand knowledge either way?

 

I believe the Winters bells are different than early Fords

 

I have not used them but was told that Winters made their axle tubes bolt circle different from the 40 axle tubes. In other words if you have a Winters V/8 style that fits the EF axle tubes you cannot bolt the new Winter axle tubes to the unit. The 11 bolt adapters they make for the Champ style I think are made for their tapered axle tubes. I was told this by Dutchman when I inquired. I will check mine tomorrow and let you know.


The bolt circle on the Winters tapered axle tubes is different from the EF axle tubes so I don't think they will work on the Winters side plate Champ conversions. The stock EF bells have a 9.250 bolt circle consisting of 10 - 3/8" holes spaced 36 degrees apart – I haven't tried them but Dutchman told me that when I inquired. I will try mine and see if they work. I would like to know how much the axle tubes sell for as they may be the way to go judging what I have to pay for good rust free housings, 9 inch ends and labor.

 

But you can bolt ford v-8 stuff to their smaller center section?... That makes no sense if that's the case!

 

I picked up a Frankland center section on ebay for $90 needs a little repair and I have Timken axles from Willys pickup that use the same side bells as early Ford 3/4 ton. The Willys Timken axle has a long left side bell and I will need to change the end to accept the 3/4 ton wide five hubs. If I use 2 left side bells and the required spacer on the right side I should be able to center the housing and use different length axle shafts, I am tempted to use the Willys axle shaft and spline the outer end to fit a drive flange. This is going behind a blown flathead so I think the 12 spline axles will be ok to handle the horse power. I will try to get some pics and then post them for you. Jim Ford

 

The Winters center section for the early Ford bells is different from the complete Winters unit offered with their tapered bells. The part number for the EF center section case is V82524HD. I will contact Winters to make sure I have the correct information from Dutchman as I too wonder why they would that. Perhaps the unit is engineered differently for their complete units.

 

It just seems that would be a really dumb decision from a production standpoint .. I would want as much interchangeability as possible with parts I offered as a company

 

Here is what I discovered on the Winters site: They offer two Champ adapters, one for the EF bells which is SR2493 and another one SR2493-01 for their tapered EF style axle tubes. That is good news for us Halibrand 11 bolt case owners. We now can do the conversion we are used to. I will still call them tomorrow to confirm this information.

 

Cool thread and lots of interesting info...
I'm new to QC's, but looking forward to learning more and running mine...
2 years ago epay score

Old Jones mag...
New axle tubes from Lefthander (circle track store in Ill.)

Big ford bearing cups and summit cut to fit 31 spline axles....

Speedways disk setup...

I just hope this doesn't make my ass look to big


I will have to notch the gas tank a little, but i'm not worried to much about that

 

what I have as well.......for the roadster project....

 

Thanx Lynn,
I did not see that on the Winters site. I was also going to call them, but I won't duplicate your efforts.

This type of thing is exactly why I started this thread.

 

I've got this center section. Its a halibrand V8 center, and the big side plates are magnesium, and it has a big old locker diff in it. I think it was used on some kind of race car over here (U.K) at some point. Found under a bench in a workshop over here by a friend of mine.
I'll be converting it to 40 bells and nine inch axles, when i can afford it.
Has anyone narrowed 40 bells? I'm going to have to so I can get my rims under my fenders.
No one seems to know anything about the IRS conversion though, any thoughts?

 

Oh, a few posts I've saved on the subject:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/how-to-set-up-a-winters-v8-quick-change.225131/
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/teach-and-win-halibrand-quickchanges.148241/
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/champ-quick-change-axle-ideas.699189/

 

Can anyone identify this? My buddy has this and we are all stumped as to who made it. The unit is magnesium and the only markings are 46Q6 cast into both sides of the case. I may be wrong but it looks like it takes model A gears.

 

NEILSWHEELS,
I would like to see some more pictures of that. Based on where you are, I would guess Allard. I will look to see if I have any thing like that in my files.
I have narrowed '40 axle tubes (I prefer to call them trumpets) the secret is having an alignment bar that locates the carrier bearings and the bearing cups when you weld it.

 

$um Fun,
I've seen one of these somewhere before. I can't find a picture right now, but I think it is from a 3/4 Midget. The offset jack shaft is a clue.

 

GearheadQCE, Thanks for the heads up. Do you know who made this and what gears it takes? To me it looks like Modal A gears, but I could be wrong.

 

I just finished talking to Winters and they told me what I stated above.
1. They offer two different Champ adapters – one for the EF housings and one for their tapered housings.
2. The tapered bells cannot be used on EF bolt patterns as they are different from Fords. They have a ridge and O-ring to seal the units.
3. The Winters tapered bells are made to be used with the Winters differential. Fitting any other type of differential is not recommended.
Maybe someone who has a pair of Winters tapered bells could take some photos of the inside where it bolts to the center section.

 

Thanx Lynn,

After scouring the Winters Street Rod catalog, I found the reference to the two part numbers and the variation. Nice piece of detective work on your part. Almost gave me a minor heart attack as I was just about to order those adaptor plates for a customer. Luckily, I had the part number for the ones I needed.

Carry On Gentlemen

 

I saw one in a midget at a show, pretty sure it [the midget] was larger than 3/4..Maybe 1/2 or v8-60 cubic inch wise...I asked the owners son and he wasn't sure but threw Jones out...Back of my mind says Albion, got no clue where I got that from..

 

GearheadsQCE, i'll get some more pics. So what do you do about the taper on the axle tube part of the trumpet, do you end up with a step?

 

Here is a Winter's/Frankland hybrid I put together from evil bay and the HAMB classifieds. I am pretty happy with it. It was not as pricey as I was told it would be to peice together, it no where near as loud as I was told it would, and it was pretty easy to set up following the instructions on winter's website.

 

I can put a QC in cheaper than most other performance differentials.

Not always the strongest for drag racing but strong enough for my power to weight ratio.

 

Did Cragar make a quick change years ago?

 

Not that I ever heard of.