Technical The procedure for Bonding a car w.no title

The car I,m building, almost from scratch, has not had a ***le for years. I,m sure the answer for this question will vary from State to State.In my case we live in Minnesota and I have been told it may it be necessary to have the car bonded in order to get a ***le : apparently is expensive...This is all new to me.I have gone to several County deputy registers asking questions and I'm disillusioned by their answers which vary from location to location .Can someone clarify what the bonding procedure is and have any of you gone through this with a car to get it ***led ? gene

 

Go to your DMV and get the straight scoop. HRP

 

My advice, find someone in your state that does it as a service. The couple hundred bucks will be well worth saving the amount of headaches, frustration and multiple visits you will make to multiple state and local offices.

 

You need to get a Statement of Facts form filled out: https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/dvs/forms-do***ents/Do***ents/MV_StatementofFacts.pdf . Take it to your DMV. Make sure you have pictures of the car that show it's condition. Most likely, you'll have to bond the car. Contact your insurance company. I can't remember what mine charged me, but it wasn't much. It's not that big of a deal. The state just wants a paper trail and some fees.

 

This has been hashed out here about every three days for the past 7 years I have been here and the right answers are always the same see posts 2 & 4.
Although a lot of lazy guys go with 53olderthanme's suggestion in post 2 there have been too many instances of guys getting in deep **** with those manufactured by a ***le company ***les lately as certain ***le companies name on the paperwork raise a big bright red flag in some states. A legit ***le service in your state that puts your paperwork together and then runs it through your state's dmv might work ok though.

 

I might add that the laws change. This used to be possible in Illinois, but, as I understand it, it is no longer.

Going to the DMV is your best option. Their opinion, after all, is the ONLY one that counts.

Cosmo

 

Went to the DMV last week and the was treated badly. Gave me 6 forms and was told to come back when it was done and could be inspected , was not really interested in helping.
Kind of a thing for me; Spending a bunch of money on this car and technically it is not mind and I don't have the satisfaction or piece of mind that legally it is mine to eventually drive on our roads.I Know, I'm being a worry wart...
Like one of you mentioned bonding may be a option Gene

 

I've bonded one car in Minnesota. Yes, each DMV department has different answers for the same questions because most don't know how to do it properly. If you have an "Historical" ***le, I'm told New Brighton has got you covered as far as transferring a ***le.

 

For bonding, you need approx. 3 months to get the process completed. You need 4 pictures of the vehicle, fill out the DMV's 6 forms and all of your receipts including bill of sale. They want the originals so make sure you have copies cuz' you won't get em back!, get the vehicle inspected at a state inspection site, to my knowledge there are only 2, the one I know of is near downtown St. Paul, just west of Rice St. They inspect it and if it p***es, and there wasn't a previous VIN or registration, they install a "Blue Plate" VIN tag. Once you have it inspected you have to get a bond, most insurance companies offer this service, usually a percentage of the total cost of the vehicle. It takes 3 years for the Bond to clear then it's fully outright yours to do what you want with.

 

The longest is the wait time for the state to approve a ***le. I think total cost was around $900 for the bond and the ***le.

 

Bonding a car is just part of the process and easy to do.. but, before you do anything towards getting a ***le,etc....Contact your DMV's License and Theft division (or whatever your state calls it) ...Thats where you'll get the real process defined for you.. In NC ,thats the office that does the final issue of a VIN....and ,believe me you need to do EXACTLY what they say ......

 

HRP LOL, I went to the local DMV and they had no clue what I was talking about.

I don't know about Minnesota but the Missouri state DMV site has all the information you need here. I don't doubt that Minnesota has the same type of info on their site.

 

I went through the process years ago. I am kicking around buying a roadster with a ***le currently and would need to do the same thing. I have a local gal at the DMV that has gone above and beyond for me before so I will reach out to here if I do it again.

Otherwise take a day off work and contact...
Vehicle Services
Ownership transfers, ***les, liens, vehicle registration
dvs.motor.vehicles@state.mn.us - Please include the VIN or MN license plate number, if applicable, with your question.
(651) 297-2126

Prepare to be put on hold a ton...

 

The easiest I have found, Join AAA , ($100) pay the $75.00 and let them handle it...

Plus triple A offers lots of services..

 

Go to sema action network. on their website they have the rules for ***ling in every state. I don't know how to post a link but I will try to.

 

I went through it in Wisconsin , and it was very easy. I had a local County cop come over to the house and verify the VIN on the frame, he filled out the form the state MVD sent me, signed it and I sent it to the state with front and rear 3/4 shots , an interior shot and an engine shot, ( which was the state requirement ) I also sent pics of the ch***is, and all of my receipts for anything I bought so they can see the sales tax was paid on the parts. I was told that the reason for the receipts is that without them the state makes you pay sales tax on the value of the car, ( I don't know this for sure however ). When they received that they put a stated value on it, which at the time was $ 16,000.00. I then needed to get a bond for one and a half times the value, $24,000.00, I believe the bond cost me $150.00 per $10,000.oo or $360.00 total That was pretty much the process in Wisc., the whole thing took about 4 weeks from the time I sent the pics in till I got the ***le. The bond was branded on the ***le for 3 years and now removed so no claims can be brought against the car. That was about 5 years ago.

 

Here is a link for tool kit from SEMA for licensing in Minnesota
http://www.bipac.net/semaga/Tag***leToolbox_MN.pdf

 

The bond is there to protect the State of MN. Not you.

The bond is there in case a previous owner is able to prove the car was/still is rightfully theirs. If that is the case, the bond would pay them.

MN is providing a do***ent that says the vehicle is yours. The bond gives them an out.

If you intend on selling the vehicle before the bond terminates, I would suggest you search for another means of getting a clear, unbranded ***le.

 

Be sure to get the ***le as soon as possible if your state taxes based on value. You want it to be as low as possible.

Charlie Stephens

 

Has any one gone through this in Wash state

 

Yep, did the lost ***le process in WA, need a signed bill of sale, if its notarized that helps, and you want it done on the form that the DMV has. It has to be inspected, call early for the appointment as they schedule quite a ways out. Cop inspects it for the VIN, and gives you a signed formed to take to a DMV office. They issue you a 3 year registration, and you can get the ***le after the 3 years are up. May have to get a bond depending on the bill of sale that you have.

 

I live 7 miles north of Farmington. I've done 2 cars without ***les, and it wasn't that bad. The first car just had a bill of sale, hand written on a sheet of paper. That car needed to be bonded. Second car I called up to the DMV at the capital and that gal sent me all the forms needed. One form needed to be filled out by the guy I bought the body from, the other ones I filled out. Took 4 pictures, all my slips went to the local DMV, had to pay taxes, and fees and what ever else that could think of, they gave me a 60 day permit that was renewable and said the state will get in touch with me. State sent a letter, saying they wanted to inspect the car. So drove the car up, got it inspected and about a month letter I had to go back up and have the state number installed. A month letter I got the ***le and plates in the mail, NO BOND. I drove the car with the 60 day permit till the plates came. Had to renew the permit once. So if you get all the paper work, and have the guy you bought it from fill out form PS2002, you might not need to bond it. Either way its not that bad, just time consuming. I like to buy projects with ***les, makes life soooo easy.

 

X2! When I took my Vette to DMV in CA they just laughed.
The lady at AAA barely looked at the VIN - too busy checking out the car.

 

i live in minnesota, and i have done about 10 of em, mostly without trouble, and in fact just got home from the mankato inspection station now. 8 0ut of 10 went rite thru, 2 they wanted to inspect to"verify the vin#" all have been model a's or t's. you dont say what car you have, and it may be different with modern motors i start at my regular license plate place, bring with you a photo of all 4 sides of the vehicle .fill out the normal application for ***le,in the space marked previous ***le, they put none- see attached. attached is the statement of facts sheet which is where you told them you got it, swap meet, found in ditch, had it for 30 years but lost ***le etc. really it matters not what you tell them because the first thing the do is run the vin # nation wide to see if its registerd to any one else. next, they're board of "experts" look at the pics and place a dollar value on it. if its over 1500 bucks, they tell you to bond it. under 1500, you get a ***le in the mail. i get my bonds from my insurance co, usually about a hundred bucks. mail them the bond, you get a bonded ***le in the mail. as posted, thats to protect the state, and you can sell the thing while its bonded. the one today, the wrote me that"the ***le can not be processed and needs to be inspected for the following reason- verify the vin #" so, i had to trailer it to mankato so the guy could see the # on the motor. pain in the but, but its don now and ***le will be in the mail soon.

 

Oh boy!! the more I read your reply's ,which I do Appreciate, the more stressed I get. First of all there is no longer a Vin anywhere. There is a number which is imbossed on the original engine block which came in the car.I would ***ume that would be a different number than what was on the frame.The one on the body and frame is completely gone.The car is quite deteriorated and sat in the elements for years and many parts are missing. As I have been working on it and adding new sheet metal I have been keeping all the receipts. I have been working on my car very hard, many hrs already..
I do have a signed bill of sale by the previous owner. I think he bought it originally as a parts car

The second problem is I'm 71 years old and I want to enjoy this car a bit before God takes me

The car is a 1929 Ford Model A Coupe

Gene in Minnesota

 

you still dont really say what it is. old fords the vin # is on the engine, v8 era on the ******. if you have a newer, or body of any brand itll have a vin tag on the cowl, and changing to a different motor will be more numbers just bring the numbers and photos to any license place and get the ball rolling. the state will write you back with any additional request, but you will get a ***le

 

sorry, i see now its a 29 coupe. thats easy. got the original motor? use those numbers if you got them. frame has a number too, left rail, near the front body mount

 

motor and frame #s matched the day it left the factory, but seldom do now. look again on the frame, they are hard to see, but motor number is all you need