Projects 302 in brookville model A frame questions

So I picked up my '32 pinched for Model A chassis on Thursday at Carlisle. Someone locally is selling a 302 with a T-5. I'm on the fence about a SBC or SBF although I like "Ford in a Ford" vibe. I have a traditional front end set up from Pete & Jakes. OK the questions...will the front sump oil pan get in the way of the cross steering and pan hard ? I remember seeing a similar set up on H.A.M.B and there was a problem with the oil filter contacting the vega box. If so how can that be resolved ? Does the engine have to be set so far back it looks strange ? I will be using lake style headers, so exhaust won't be a problem. Are there potential problems with the steering linkage?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
Dino

 

You could use the adjustable oil filter mount sold by Ford Racing,Speedway and others and a rear sump pan and pickup.

 

Dont forget about the T 5. Im sure its from a mustang and the shifter is way far back on the trans. It should put the shifter right at the front edge of the seat. And an S10 T 5 will not bolt up to tge fird bellhousing. Ive heard you can adapt tge S10 tail housing to tge mustang trans but it sounds like a pain and kinda working backwards. Id think about a sb chevy. No matter what anyone says they are traditional if done right. And well a 302 is just an ugly**** engine.

 

And what would make a SFB any uglier than a SBC?

 

I just cant stand tge distributor up front. The only motor that ever looked right with the distributor up front is a flathead. And well they are gorgeous.

 

But thats just me.

 

You should not need a rear sump. As far as oil filter, use a short oil filter, 90* adapter or adjustable as raunchy says.

There's an S-10 tail to T-5 tech here 0n the HAMB, it's not hard.

As far as SBF's in deuce frames, Brizio and many others seem to cope.

BTW the****le is confusing, I gather you have a 32 frame pinched for a model A body? Using Brookville Model A frame in the****le sounds like you have a model A frame.

 

The****le is confusing, check out Tom's build (seadog) he is building a 32 roadster with a 289/302. HRP

 

Thank for the replies. I thought this thread was buried. Sorry the****le is confusing, but I guess I'm confused too!! HRP, thanks sending me to Tom's build. I have been reading the T5 tech on HAMB, especially Flat Ernie's posts, seems very knowledgeable. I seems you do have to push a SBF further back than a SBC in the engine compartment. Some I've seen look like they're a third of the way into the body. SBC's look more centered in the engine compartment. I've got time to decide since I'm just starting the project. I plan on using a s-10 tail housing to move the shifter forward, but thanks very much for the info guys, much appreciated. I'll try to be less confusing and confused !!
Dean

 

You gain something like 6 inches of engine bay room with a '32 chassis and A body, vs an A on A chassis, so were is the problem you speak of? Bob

 

Two things. 1. The deuce has a 106 inch wheelbase, an A has a 103 3/4 inch wheelbase. 2.You set the rear wheel arch of the A body centred on the rear wheels, so automatically you have a longer engine bay than an A model. More room. And the A body is smaller as well.

What this also means is, don't compare engine locations of an SBF in an A Model with an A Model body on a deuce frame. They are two different things.

 

get the rear/dual sump pan from the 80s passenger car, you'll be just fine

 

Thanks for the advice. The chassis already have the body mount holes so I don't think I can move the body back, but I'm Brookville told me the extra length was from the firewall forward. I'm****uming they figured their body mounts to center the rear wheels. I'll find out when I put the body on. This is a bracketed chassis with SBC engine mounts on it. It's not that hard to move them, but as I said, I'm on the fence about it. Thanks for helping me make up my mind....Ha like that's going to happen. LOL

 

I get the ford in a ford thing....but unless it's a Y block or Flathead I would say the small block would be way easier considers the frame is set up for it. As for traditional...the sbc pre dates a 302 ford by several years....just saying....oh and I'm a Ford guy.

 

Yeah, I'm a Ford guy too, but I agree there's no sense in reinventing the wheel. My concern is that there are a lot more T5's out of Fords around so I found a SBF locally with the bell housing, pressure plate,clutch that would mate up to a T5. That's what got my wheels turning. I'm not familiar with SBC in general and mating it to a T5 is a challenge if you don't know what's involved. It'll be a challenge for me, but that's part of the fun. Thanks again for all replies.

 

Dino, good to hear ford in a ford and you'll have no problems with the install. A few thing that have been covered by the other members. The oil filter 90 degree adapter will move the filter out of the way and you can now use a Vega style steering box. A limeworks steering column and a few double d joints and shaft should get you steering in the right direction . The motor 302 should be setback all the way against the firewall 1/2 clearance . I would recommend the ford motor sports short water pump and v belt pulley kit. It will give you room to run a mechanical fan and hood . The headers I use in the builds cleared steering, frame rails and oil filter and nice route to run exaust pipe were ford motor sports . I know you said that you were going with Gear drive headers and great choice they fit perfectly . The oilpan should give ya no issues but in the future a early bronco 1966-77 has a rear sumpand would solve any problems .

 

Thanks, continentaljohn, for the information. Doesn't sound too difficult to make it happen.

 

I did the S10 tail swap on the T5 going into my 32. Very easy took about 45 minutes, but thats because I have disassembled many T5's in the past. But if you have any mechanical skills at all, It's very simple. Please go with the Ford in a Ford. Really tired of seeing all these " 327's from a Corvette!"

 

OK, here's my experience. If I remember correctly, Brookville with the Donut style mounts are the same Ford and Chevy - it is the bracket from the donut to the motor that varies. I have built a couple of Model A RPU with small block Fords, one with a 32 style Brookville frame. The firewall is notched for clearance from Brookville. The oil filter 90 mount front from For Racing is nice or you can use a shorty filter and it just clears the Vega box.
As for the T5 tailshaft, there is a new tailshaft housing available from Modern Driveline that works much better than the S-10 and has multiple shifter locations.
And a small block Ford is at least the equal of the Belly*****on Chevy in the looks department and is at least a little different.

 

It seems the SBC is the answer to your problems. No pan or filter problem and you already have the Chevy mounts. And a Chevy is so much easier to wire.

 

Bronco oil pan?

 

You will have NO problem running a dual sump Fox Body pan.

 

In my opinion, this is good advice. It can be done and with not much trouble as long as you plan for it.
Yes, it creates challenges because it's not the norm.
Enjoy the engine that you favor.

 

Thanks everyone for you replies. I knew I should have bought that 302 with the bell, pressure plate,and clutch set up for a T5. Oh well it's gone, he sold it. Boy I thought I was on the fence before !. I admit, I am a Ford guy and I did a 289 in my F-1 pickup, used the Bronco pan. Sorry, but it just seems to go against the grain for me to put in a SBC . And I am tired of SBC in Model A's. No offense to anyone running one, but Ford in a Ford is a good vibe for me. I've got plenty of time to decide, but all the information I got in this thread was very helpful. Thanks again.

Thanks for the infor about Modern Driveline, either engine will have a T5.

 

Yup, I agree