1952-59 Ford Front sump oil pan for 302 with dipstick provision

I would like to use the stock serpentine belt system on my mid 80's 302 in my 55. However it requires a pan with a dipstick since the timing cover does not allow one. I don't see such a pan. Is there one?

 

You just need a early front sump oil pan. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBF-Ford-30...ash=item58a471f9ce:g:ePwAAOSwY45URTTa&vxp=mtr My donor 5.0 was an '84 MK VII and I drilled the timing cover to use this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectre-572...ash=item1e9aa6db94:g:a8oAAOSwQiRUmEnE&vxp=mtr The tab on the dipstick bolts to the tapped hole in the pass side cyl head,use that as your guide and use a bit the same size as the tube diameter. Plug the old side dipstick hole in the block using a 1/8" pipe plug and .

 

Thanks Jeff, but that wont work on the serpentine setup I don't believe.

 

I had the same problem, finally had to go to an earlier timing cover with the dipstick
provision and then used aftermarket power steering and alternator brackets. Quite frankly
if I had to do it over I would have a tube brazed/welded to the oil pan for the dipstick.
I would then use the timing cover,water pump and serpentine belt/pulley system off
a 96/98 explorer. You wind up with plenty of room for your the clutch type fan blade
and shroud, all of which can pulled for cheep at the salvage yard. Believe me you would be
a happy camper with no overheating problems

 

If you have a Ford wrecking yard around take a stroll and look for 1980's Ford Vans and some Broncos,there is a rare factory pan that is front sump with a dipstick in the pan I posted a link to a seller of new ones long ago try the search function and search this forum only it works about half the time.

 

Posibly you don't need to do anything....
When we do the 4.6 dohc conversion to a front sump oil pan, we just leave the original dipstick in it's original location. If you pull the pan off with the dipstick still inserted, you would notice the dipstick only protrudes beyond oil pan mounting surface about 1 1/4 or so....which on our conversions is about the same as the depth of the shallow end of the pan...the point being if the dipstick only protrudes 1 1/4 into the pan, what difference does it make if it's over the deep part or the shallow part?
Don't know if the 302 pans are the same, but worth a look.
When I filled my oil, btw, I checked the specs/capacity of the donor oil pan/filter and put exactly that much in. I then checked the dipstick and it read full.....good enough for me!

 

I know that the Van pans that were rear sump had dipsticks in the side. Had one but it was deformed and I tossed it. I will do a search Jeff. Good point Tex, I will look at that also.

 

This is what I am going to use to mount the Dip Stick on the Custom Pan that I need in My Custom 53.
It Mounts in the side of the Pan & has an O-Ring Seal.
Its Off of a Ford 7.3L Diesel Truck.
Not Sure if it will work for you.

 

Worth a look. Thanks Jim

 

Jeff, you sent the oil pan link twice. Can you send what you intended for the second link please. Thanks.

 

I ended up using a early Mustang 289 cover on my 302.HRP

 

Thanks Danny but I plan on using the Ford serpentine system which does not allow using the cover for the dipstick. I have the same setup in my 53 F100 but am able to use the block dipstick in it. Wish it looked as good as yours.

 

That dipstick flange kit from the diesel engine is pretty slick.

I was thinking you could also do the same thing by salvaging these parts from a junk Ford oil pan, I think I would braze the parts since some of these flanges leaked.

 

Thanks Mark, your picture reinforces Texas 57 thoughts. I appreciate the pictures

 

Should be this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Proform-680...ash=item19ef10a6ef:g:E-cAAOSwVupToX2B&vxp=mtr And this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/63-96-SBF-F...6ad5525:g:CgAAAOxywZ1SL1wO&vxp=mtr&rmvSB=true

 

Confused. Isn't the Proform for a pan with an existing bung. The oil pan does not appear to have one.

 

Just some observations by someone who hasn't done this kinda thing much....In the pic that Mark T posted....isn't the oil level much higher than where the dipstick is? Also, in the ebay pic of the front sump oil pan that Jeff linked to, the shallow end of the pan is deeper than that on mine, leading me to believe that using the dipstick in the oem poition would not be a problem.

 

I don't disagree Tex.

 

This is where the you get creative,you will do a mock up and drill the pan accordingly in the spot that gives you the best clearance,now there will be one issue and that is you may have to remark the stick as to where the full mark will be which is not complicated since the new pan will be empty as soon as you add the 5 Qts of oil that is where the new mark will be.

 

It doesn't look to me that the dipstick is made to accomplish that, but to just replace an existing tube and stick. I would need a bung from another pan. The more I think about it, I believe Tex may be correct. I have recalibrated sticks before and have no problem there.

 

Just drill a 11/32 hole in the timing cover in the same location as an old style cover. I have done several of them and never had a problem. The only years you can't do it on are the 94/95 Mustang, Thunderbird and Explorer units because there is no boss there. 11/32 is hard to find so the one I did this week I used a 3/8 bit and drill it once and get the heck out before you waddle the hole out. The 11/32 you should have to tap the tube in and the 3/8 will push in with your hands. A bit of silicone will insure it won't leak.

You can also bend the tube some if you have clearance issues or shorten the length if you want to hide it etc.

http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/drivetrain/mdmp-9810-engine-aod-transmission-swap/

 

Thanks Jay, do you have that picture with the alternator swung back into posistion. I do not see any way that would fit on the 84 Mustang serpentine in my 53 F100. Great idea if it does.

 

Here is a picture of a Fairlane I did about 20 years ago. It is a scan of an old photo but you can barely make out the dipstick.

 

See it right behind alt about the middle of the valve cover. Thanks.

 

Hey fordsbyjay, do you have any experience using a mechanical fuel pump with the serpentine setup on a 302. I can't really tell on my F100 due to the Volare crossmember being in the way. I want to use the serpentine on an earlier block.

 

Early 80's full size Fords and Mercurys with 5.0's had serpentine with standard rotation water pumps my donor motor was from a 1984 Lincoln MK VII and used that, I hated the look and converted to March V-belt pulleys. If you swap to a mechanical pump you will need the Comp Cams eccentric kit.

 

I would be using the pump on an earlier block Jeff. Just wondering if it would fit with the factory serpentine setup. I have that in my F100 and think it looks fine.

 

Weren't the early Broncos front sump?
http://shop.broncograveyard.com/Oil...tinfo/10115/?gclid=CNTco7S0kcoCFZYWHwodHI8Elg

 

Guess I should have started a new thread, just trying to ask fordsbyjay about the fuel pump. Sorry for causing confusion. I will start a conversation with Jay. Thanks for posting.