Technical thread for people who hate lacquer

im starting this thread for you old ladies who hate lacquer and think it should be even more illegel
you can rant all you want on this thread
I for one love lacquer
It has no Isocyanate's hello cyanide?

 

I don't know enough to vote but Glad the HAMB is getting faster.Thanks to Ryan and all the rest of the good folks that keep it going.

 

I don't hate it, but base/clear systems are much easier, other than that I don't have much to bad mouth it about. I hate having to turn people away who want to buy it in my store. I also don't think it should be illegal i'm sure there are worse things in fast food items than in lacquer paint.

 

Bae coat/clear coat easier? HA HA HA. NO way

 

And look at all the newer cars (with BC/CC) with flaking clear. Looks like dry skin.

 

way.......... done properly , no buffing , easier to repair. (remember I said "done properly")

 

I'm not old enough to have used nitrocellulose but acrylic lacquer was great to use. If you made a mistake it is easily and quickly fixed and colour sands and buffs easily.
Having said that, if you have a good look at the results that a really good painter can get with modern paints they are astounding. It's a shame most of us won't be able to copy them.

 

I used base coat without clear coat on the '32 and it acted exactly like the old lacquer. It doesn't have the hardness and/or UV protectant without the clear, but it sprayed and laid down very nice. It has a soft satin finish and many people think it's a barn find.

The only thing I don't like is it water spots and grays a little. A few minutes of Turtle spray wax and it looks great again for a couple months. It's also fragile to rock chips and chemicals like gasoline, carb cleaner, etc. But anyway, it looks like natural patina. I like it.

 

You can't gas sand water base paint ...

 

Lacquer the first paint I've ever sprayed. Couldn't have been easier and came out great. Take a look at the paint on my 64 Biscayne. Its all original lacquer with no checking. Not too bad after 51 years.

 

^ Nice^

 

OMG I hate everything about it, I hate how you can sand a sag out and shoot another coat over it, I hate rubbing it between coats and how it ends up looking like a cenote when it is done, I hate how it makes me feel when I shoot it in a confined space, I hate the durability and how it looks when it is 50 or so years old.

@Gman0046 that '64 has got it in spades man.

 

Per PnB - "I hate how it makes me feel when I shoot it in a confined space". You made me smile. I shot bc/cc for the first time this summer under a tent. It was like shooting lacquer twice. If you mess up the base coat, let it set up, hit it with 400, shoot it over and press on. Same with the clear. It's metallics of any knd I can't shoot.

 

P&B, thanks for the compliment. Believe it or not, the Biscayne was a true "barn find". Stored for over 46 years until original owners passed away and then sold in an estate sale. Its in virtually show room condition. Its amazing how good these cars look with just being lowered and the addition of decent wheels and tires.

 

there is a time and a place for all types of paint.......choose wisely.
lacquer is all about a time and a place= great if you have the time and no real place to spray.

 

That's

because people want to use $40 a gallon clear or they cheaped out at the factory to beat a new EPA requirement at the time. If you properly use something like a Glasurit 923-255 it will out live the 2 of us.

 

Not that bad to work with. Get pro results in the garage Down side it tends to crack and check with age especially if it's a bit thick.

 

I really hate it when I splash the reducer in my eye...it hurts! Of course, if I'm mixing the modern shit without a haz-mat suit and an outside air supply, I'm damaging my central nervous system and knocking 8 months or so off my life every time I do it, sooooo....

 

funny I put this thread on here so all the lacquer haters would have a place to spout off and its mostly lacquer lovers on here
and the haters are on the info thread WTF lol
I still love lacquer
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I have sprayed several cars with lacquer. I love it. I have never had a problem with it. I broke down and bought some for my truck recently. I won't risk my health spraying anymore catalyzed paint since I don't have the resources to apply it safely.

 

I've only sprayed parts, never an old car. Love the look, dry time, etc.

 

Maybe the guys that posted on the other thread were only interested in disruption, pissing matches and drama? The fact that they haven't even shown up here would be a pretty good indicator of that, wouldn't it?

 

Just thankful you can still buy lacquer in Kentucky. If it ends in KY its got to be good.

 

I am working on a voc compliant lacquer binder to go in our mixing system, how many cases you want?

 

LOL I shot my bike in a friends bathroom once, we taped plastic on the inside of the door and I peeled the tape when I was done shooting it. it wasn't until I got out in the Missouri Winter air that I realized that I was not on a different planet and that there were more people there.



One of the nice things about it is that you can virtually shoot it without a proper spray booth and with few precautions can produce a quality paint job. I have shot it in barns, warehouses, in driveways, and kitchens, the living room. Just find a way to make the dust lay down and go for it.

I knew a guy once who got gnats in the tank of his bike. Cady red over gold. Instead of sanding them out he buried them in clear and called it custom.

 

BC/CC easier to use???? Geez, I miss lacquer. As a custom painter in the 70's I shot a ton of lacquer and I miss it. Easy to apply, easy to match, easy to touch up (you could spot in the center of a panel without having to prep and clear the whole thing) and way easier to buff and get a show car shine. The only thing I give modern paint is durability, it was disheartening to see your hard earned candy job start to check in a few years.
As far as health issues, don't know. For several years I worked at a dealer, 3 of us spent our day spraying lacquer repair jobs in an small 4 bay shop, never thought of a respirator or anything, when we were real busy in the winter with the doors closed you'd be pretty high by the end of the day. Doc says my lings are fine but I always wonder how many brain cells I burned in those years!

 

No type paint is really safe bottom line. I will say this, and not being funny, name 5 people you personally know that's a retired painter. Unfortunately it's hard to come up with 5.
People tend to forget the solvents in paint, and I know some of you wash overspray off your arms with thinner. Thats worse than spraying 50 gallons of 2k polyurethane without a respirator.

 

One "time saver" using lacquer is we used to have an old binks gun and left primer in it forever. It was like a never ending coffee pot pick up the next day and just stir it up and get to work. When it got low just add more primer and thinner and mix well. Try that with the new stuff LOL.

And paint guru is correct we used to wash our hands in thinner OFTEN then go eat samaches for lunch. My apprenticeship guru died of throat cancer after years of no mask spraying lacquer and washing in thinner.

 

Never shot lacquer, if I get the opportunity, I'm sure I'll hate it too.

Looking forward to paint guru's product line and seeing some spray outs or paint jobs.

 

I find this interesting, but also a little baffled.

We have mostly water based paint ts this days. Its good but took a long time time to become that good.

In the late 90s it became the law to paint all new cars with water based paint in Europe. Resulting in clear coat flaking off, red becoming pink and black not being shiny.

Over here from mid 90s and back it was acrylic paint.
Both water-based and
Acrylic can be single stage and BC/CC. Acrylic can be painted over primer with out hardener.
My car is painted with single stage, and clear coat.
Easier to keep Shiney.

I only know of two other paint types.

Cellulose based paint and enamel based industrial paint.

Cellulose is sprayed out, and is a thick as bed liner. It dries for a day or two. And then you sand It, and then hand rub it. Takes for ever, but looks awesome! And last forever.

The last one is my favorite industial enamel or tractor paint. Single stage, no hardener. And cheap.
I use this stuff a lot.
If you spray some layers and sand in between, wet sand before top coat, and add 10-15% clear in the paint it looks so smooth. not like Cellulose, but compared in work hours compared to result. Enamel is way faster!!!!


But where falls lacquer paint?