Register now to get rid of these ads!

Technical FLAT V8 IN '31 coupe

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by V4F, Aug 3, 2015.

  1. Phtttttt an A V8 none on here has ever built one. I may have put a flatty or two in a coupe or two over the years. Its really no big deal. They pretty much will slide in any place you can put a modern V8
     
  2. Tobbe J
    Joined: Dec 12, 2010
    Posts: 277

    Tobbe J
    Member

    If you use the exellent Tardel/Bishop book just remeber there is some misinformation regarding the positioning of the engine mounts in the frame. Let the rear end with torque tube determine where the mounts should be, NOT the information in the book. I know this first hand :).

    Lots of good advice in this thread, thank you!
     
    patmanta likes this.
  3. Tobbe J
    Joined: Dec 12, 2010
    Posts: 277

    Tobbe J
    Member

    And here it's shown in pictures

    The gearbox needs to come back 3/4"
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1447576766.533579.jpg

    And the mounts are already to far forward in the frame
    ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1447576867.728033.jpg
     
  4. ydopen
    Joined: Mar 14, 2010
    Posts: 253

    ydopen
    Member

    image.jpg One thing I had to watch was clearance on lower radiator inlets. I left front mounts and k member loose until I got everything to work and fit.

    John
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2015
  5. wheeldog57
    Joined: Dec 6, 2013
    Posts: 3,853

    wheeldog57
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Not the first time I heard this. I'm glad I didn't buy the Tardel book. Vern is not the only guy who can use a tape measure. . . .
     
  6. Mr48chev
    Joined: Dec 28, 2007
    Posts: 36,033

    Mr48chev
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    I've got a copy of the Tardel book that I've had for quite a while and while it isn't perfect it is a hell of a good reference to add to the rest of your reference library.
    I'd say that stands for any engine trans torque tube or no. Mount the trans first where it needs to be and then level it up with the placement of the front mounts. Over the years I've found that step makes things a lot easier all around.
    I follow this thread pretty close because of the good solid advice in it and hope to have a rolling ch***is in the next few months.
     
  7. Bader2
    Joined: May 19, 2014
    Posts: 1,143

    Bader2

    If your using a v8 rear,why would you cut off the stock hangers and put the spring on top? And then make a step in the frame to get it lower? You've just doubled your workload! Use the v8 rear as is,torque tube shortened,obviously,extend the frame,moving the model a crossmember straight back 7.5",no z in frame,use the model a spring,it bolts right up to 38-40 style rear,seven leaves. It's by far the easiest,strongest way! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1453821286.891672.jpg
     
  8. That's one way to do it if you want to extend your frame... If you don't want to extend your frame, then you're changing hangers and spring location, a**** a mul***ude of other options.
     
  9. patmanta
    Joined: May 10, 2011
    Posts: 3,882

    patmanta
    Member
    from Woburn, MA

    You should still read that book @wheeldog57 ;)

    I think what you're describing is actually where the design for some of the aftermarket A frames came from. The one Speedway carries has a bow out in the back, which I believe can be used as a perch for a V8 low arch spring. They sell a couple kits for this kind of rear crossmember if that's what you want to do but you could cut your own up too.
    http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Model-A-Rear-Crossmember,61423.html

    91657045-2_L.jpg

    Alternately, flip the bells on the rear and shorten the frame (which may be easier than lengthening it).

    And in defense of the Z, you can gain a bit of length control with the length and width of the box tubing you use to do the operation.

    I shortened mine because that's what fit my rather oddball build the best. I brought mine in about 7.5" as I recall. This makes the rails attached to the crossmember want to align about a quarter inch out. I took some quarter inch plate and clamped it to the bottom rails on each outer side, then used angle to clamp everything flush and square it back up.
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...build-preliminary.751582/page-7#post-10993883

    [​IMG]

    Though there are certainly challenges running spring in front as far as your bones, shackles, and just getting the spring on there, FYI.
     
  10. Bader2
    Joined: May 19, 2014
    Posts: 1,143

    Bader2

    Extending the frame,or z ing the frame is the same amount of work. Where you save is the fact that you don't have to modify the rear. You do floor mods either way.
     
  11. I missed the part about stepping the frame. You are correct, more work involved.
     
  12. Bader2
    Joined: May 19, 2014
    Posts: 1,143

    Bader2

    Wasn't trying to argue,but I'm kinda lazy,I know the easy way!
    And it gets em down low! ImageUploadedByH.A.M.B.1453832153.464171.jpg
     

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.