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Behind a pile of motors, in between some Buicks, and under some tin, Model A find....

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Nick Flores, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. Deadbird
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    Just found this thread and skimmed through the whole thing. Super cool!
     
  2. Very cool!
    Tortilla Flats, I've been out there a couple times on motorcycles.
    Easy to get into a couple of those corners a little hot
     
  3. cac646
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    When/where does today's cruise to tortilla flats leave?
     
  4. Nick Flores
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    Sorry bud, didn't see your post until late this afternoon. We met up at 0800 down at Coronado park on 12th and McDowell.

    Fired up the car this morning and buzzed around the corner only to run the first stop sign I came to. I suspect the master cylinder bore is bell-mouthed... it's leaking right out the ass end. Looks as though I need to go ahead and sleeve it. Also have some work to do on the hydraulic side of the clutch system. Other than those two "major" issues this little fucker is a blast to drive and will only get better. My motivation to get on it has been amplified considerably.
     
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  5. Nick Flores
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    Hamb member #17(Jerry) bird dogged me back to the shop and caught a couple snaps on our way.
     

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  6. poprivit
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    Very nice save, love this stuff.
     
  7. LTM75110
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    I just found this thread,Great story,Keep up the good work.It will be worth it in the end.
     
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  8. r2c1
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    Anybody get any pics of the run. Sure would like to see them.
     
  9. Nick Flores
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    Here are a few shots from NYD that I've stolen off the bookface.... we were breaking in my friend Bishop's '64 Thunderbird so a couple of these shots are from unplanned stops.
     

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  10. r2c1
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    Thank you sir. Been wanting to go but car isn't done yet. Pictures help. Ron
     
  11. Nick Flores
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    Stayed late tonight and whipped up the sleeve needed for the master cylinder. Took a few measurements and found the m/c bore to be tapered from .005" to .011". I used an Intra-mic, and included a couple of pictures for you guys that may not be familiar the tool. The material is aluminum bronze about 1.312" on the O.D. and I think about a half inch on the inside... not too critical since we're going to rip the majority of it into a bunch of little pieces anyway.
    The short version is, run the o.d. down leaving it about .060" oversize. Next up, hog a twist drill down it. Bonus points for making the new guy nervous, it's not exactly quiet. Boring the i.d. follows drilling which is followed by final pass on the o.d.. Last step on the lathe is to de-burr and part it off. I was getting a bit of taper on the i.d. so I just left it a bit small. Knowing there was a one inch hone already set up, it took no time giving it a pre-install hone to straighten it out.
    Join us for our next episode where I'll bore the m/c, press the sleeve, make the brakes work again and then hopefully more burnouts and such.
     

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  12. Nick Flores
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    Things don't always turn out as planned.
     

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    This would be a case where an oven and liquid nitrogen would be your friends
     
  15. Nick Flores
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    The sleeve was only .0005" over the bore diameter. I left it in the freezer for awhile before pressing it in. Should have been able to push it in by hand and pretty much was until all hell broke loose. There was a small crack around the snap ring groove that I thought wouldn't be too much trouble. Turns out it was all the trouble.
     
  16. J'st Wandering
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    Somewhere along the journal of installing the sleeve, it ran into more than 1/2 thousandths of interference. Been there and done that. ;)

    Neal
     
  17. Nick Flores
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    It is what it is. One phone call and I had a new replacement at the shop inside of an hour. I forget the part number but it's a common late 50's Ford car unit. It sucks to scrap an original piece off the car but it's not the end of the world.... besides El Mirage and Bonneville will be here soon enough and this will be a fun little chase car. We need shakedown time.
    Tonight I soldered a couple of small holes in the radiator, I'll take detail shots if and when I take it off again but it is a Frankenstein-ed patchwork piece if there ever was such a thing. I was still in full on work mode and didn't think to take pics. Also, one of the guys was hanging around late so I made him be the pedal man on a brake bleeding operation. Even with the leaky master the brakes were working well. I'd like to dial them in and get a bit more stopping power, keeping the fluid in the system will certainly help with that. Should be out trying to break something else tomorrow afternoon.
     
  18. banjeaux bob
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    Re post #208 "chingaderra" ...now there's a word I haven't heard in a long while. download (13).jpg
     
  19. Raunchy
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    I like what you are doing. And the fact that you are doing what you want and not following the opinionated assholes. It's your car and I'm glad you are sharing the rebuild with everyone that can appreciate it. What year and model do you think the taillights are? I have some partial pieces that look sort of like them in a 28 Ford body I bought.
     
  20. Nick Flores
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    Worked out a few kinks yesterday afternoon. Got the clutch system working well and the fluid is staying in the braking system. I reckon the prudent thing to do is take it out for lunch today...
    Hopefully it doesn't need to much attention because we are showing "Geronimo" at the Arizona Concours show this weekend and I need to get the ole Duesey cleaned up and ready...
     

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  21. Nick Flores
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    So that lunch run a few weeks back ended up with a balls to the wall case of the death wobbles. I got busy (read; distracted by another project) for a couple weeks and with my neighborhoods annual home tour and car show coming up this weekend I needed to get focused and back on the Cabby. Here's a little recap of this weeks activities.

    While the car sat, guys would come by and ask about it and I'd tell the story about scaring the hell out of one of the CNC guys when the front end started jumping all around. I find it amusing that everyone has a different opinion of what the problem could be. "Check the caster" says one, "look into that steering box" comes another suggestion, "it could be the tires" says another, and so it goes.

    The car handled well before the wobble and having put a few miles on it I personally believed the problem would be found in worn parts. I don't like to guess so I started at square one. The alignment wasn't great but didn't point to any cause for concern. Next, I jacked up the front end and started poking around. Found a bunch of wiggle in the right side tie rod end. The tie rod itself was a bit out of straight as well. Once I had it on the bench we all had a chuckle upon reading "patent pending" on the rod ends. I turned my attention to the tie rod and had it straight in a few minutes. I'll have to get you guys a picture of our ancient barrel straightener that I used, you'll dig it for sure. Stopped into our parts supplier on my way into work the next morning with the worn set and they had suitable replacements back to me before lunch. Last night I stayed a couple of hours late to put everything back together and get it aligned. Afterwards I took one of the guys for a ride to see how it worked. We ran around a few miles at varying speeds and couldn't find a problem or the law, so I think we've got that licked.

    I'm taking the car to a couple of shows this weekend, one is a big deal car show at the Fairgrounds and other is a small part of the home tour here in our historic district. I'll overload you guys with pics this weekend, I promise. For now here's a shot of the Cabby, the V-16 Caddy powered roadster, and a couple of late model Dodges...
     

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  22. Nick Flores
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    1457277789322.jpg 1457278045067.jpg 1457278055390.jpg 1457278071079.jpg 1457278090869.jpg 1457278104223.jpg 1457278121201.jpg 1457278134592.jpg 1457278148089.jpg 1457278161402.jpg 1457278183413.jpg 1457278198086.jpg 1457278221650.jpg 1457278259573.jpg Brought the car out again this weekend. Terrorized the neighbors giving out some rides in the morning for starters. Visited the Arizona Open Wheel Museum and Motorsports Hall of Fame for their first annual Manzanita Speedway Reunion and later on up to North Scottsdale for a super huge late models gathering. Just a perfect day for running all over town in a beat down old heap.
     
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  23. Tim
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    Not to be that guy but any chance I can get you to hit "edit" on your last post with all the photos, scroll to the bottom and click show all photos full size <- might be labeled something different but similar, it's next to show all as thumb nails.

    That will make all your photos big.

    Why do I care? Because your cars rad and my phone screen Is small
     
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  24. gschwen
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    Love your roadster.

    Is there a build thread or more info on this one anywhere? Looks like a 22ish Dodge?
     
  25. need louvers ?
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    Ya, he forgot to tell you about bombing around Downtown Friday night, when Nick, Rick Dupont and myself, all in our roadsters, were sternly lectured on the evils of spinning our tires and driving fast by Paul Blart, ASU cop....
     
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  26. theHIGHLANDER
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    Winner! It's always entertaining to read how so many swoon over something just because it's old. And then just because it's old it absolutely must be the "tablet brought down the mountain" regardless of the build quality, or indeed lack of. Of course it's right to sort through mistakes and make things reliable and safe. That doesn't have to mean LS and fuel injection and SFI spec stuff, it just means logical and safe. As to how it appears, well just like I've told a dozen or more folks about my original car, until I can find a Ford part number for rust, mud, grease or bird shit I'll be repairng my original finish in original materials and will still proudly proclaim to be O R I G N A L. Not to fan any flames, I have seen a lot less of the mindset over the last cpl years. Seems to be getting closer to reality and closer to a proper understanding. Leaving things shitty is a slap in the face of authenticity. I love this car/find/story. Nice to see something real and even nicer to see/read the plan for it that clearly respects the past as it should be. Thank you for taking us along for the ride.
     
  27. Nick Flores
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    I'm posting using my phone through the Hamb app. Not sure how to make them bigger, have you tried clicking on one and scrolling through them?
     
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  28. Tim
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    I'm using my phone but I just use the mobile site not the app as I've always felt that the mobile site works better. I can click on them but I can't scroll threw them that way I've got to open each one individually.

    Meh I just sound lazy. If your using the app don't go threw any extra effort I'll just click or squint lol
     
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  30. Tim
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    Hah, thanks guys.
     

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