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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Rumbullion, Aug 1, 2016.

  1. Rumbullion
    Joined: Apr 3, 2016
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    Rumbullion

    Hopefully someone out there can help me track down the correct part numbers for a pinion oil seal for my 53 Desoto coupe.

    The parts suppliers part number for my model year isn't the same as my seal. They have it listed as national 7216 but this is physically the wrong size.

    The parts number on my actual removed seal is CR 1044504 but I can't find any reference to this online.

    Has anyone got any ideas on how to track down a replacement seal for the CR 1044504 which I presume has an alternate part number?

    I don't live in the states so parts stores here are of no use.

    Any help appreciated. Thanks All.




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  2. inthweedz
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    A good engineering parts department should be able to supply a seal if you give them the shaft size, outer housing size and width of the original seal..
     
  3. squirrel
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    413469
    2.125 shaft
    3.350 housing bore
    3.355 seal OD
    .375 thick

    is what I come up with. But you didn't provide dimensions, so I'm just guessing.
     
  4. cs39ford
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  5. squirrel
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    If you can provide dimensions, I have the books....
     
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  6. Johnboy34
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    from Seattle,Wa

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  9. squirrel
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    I searched with the computer, not there. I also searched my old National cross reference book, not there. might be a typo or misread in his number, or maybe it's a rare seal. The number I gave above is for the alternate seal in the National/BCA catalog from 25 years ago. It might be what he needs
     
  10. Could be me. But that seems like a lot of numbers for a C/R seal. And really wrong for one that old. Looks more like a Chrysler number to me. Chrysler numbers usually start with the first number meaning the decade the part came into use. 1-'50's, 2-'60's, 3-'70's etc
     
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  13. squirrel
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    could be an original seal, made by CR, with the OEM Chrysler part number on it.
     
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  14. Johnboy34
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    That last parts book I posted is Chrysler part #'s.
     
  15. sport fury
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    is the rear end original? see what size the 52 and 54 are.
     
  16. Maybe the OP transposed the number? 1044504 vs 1404504?
     
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  17. Six Ball
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    My old Victor book shows these #s from '48-'56 49230, 47171, 47111 Most used for several years in 6 one 8 passenger cars.
     
  18. So if not in the U.S, where are you?
     
  19. Rusty O'Toole
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    No matter where you are there should be bearing shops in the industrial section of town. They can get any kind of bearing and seal almost. I have been surprised at what they have, and can get. If no bearing shops then industrial supply shops. Look in the yellow pages under bearings.

    Bearings and seals are a universal part used in machinery of all kinds not just cars. In most cases the bearings and seals used in cars are standard parts picked from bearing company catalogs in the first place. They are almost never custom made for one application, unless it is a front wheel drive hub or something unusual.
     
  20. Rumbullion
    Joined: Apr 3, 2016
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    Rumbullion

    Thanks all, I think that's got me back on the right track.

    The car is in the shop (for kingpins) I asked them to swap out the seal while it was on the ramp, so I've only got what the mechanic sent me which was the above CR no. And a 'rough measurement' of 3.3125 and 2.25 ID. Which given they are rough measurements fits pretty well with the above.

    Thanks All, HAMB to the rescue again :)


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  21. Rumbullion
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    They have tried various machine shops, but no joy, I'll have to order this in from the US, as the majority of stock over here is metric.


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  22. Rumbullion
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  23. If you need a spare I have 3 in stock. Mine are National P/N 6845 which is Mopar #1404504 or Victor #47171. Fits some mid 50's Chryslers and DeSoto's only
    3.155 OD 2-1/8" shaft 3/4" thick, a heavy duty seal with a leather sealing element and felt.
     
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