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HUBBA HUBBA my 32-4 Tudor tribute to Gramps

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Runnin shine, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. Runnin shine
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    Well I suspect it would look just as bad on the HH frame as the Runnin Shine frame. The cab is still missing the lower four inch or so. It looked awfully bad on there proportionately last year. The PU's wheelbase is much shorter too.


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  2. dumprat
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    That looks like 7/8ths of the way to a 32-34 phaeton....

    I am really interested in seeing you tackle the cowl sheet metal.
     
  3. Runnin shine
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    I know right? Look at this partial tub!
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    I love'm and would like one but not as much as my Tudor
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    But you do realize a bay window in the back is gonna look weird.....
     
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    Just his nod to George Barris ;) it'll make more since with the sconces
     
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  7. Runnin shine
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    Why on earth are tires so damn expensive!!!?
    I'm probably gonna have to buy Excelsior Stahls cause I love the look of these Blockleys but there next and only biggest size is 650 at 28.9" tall and $382ea. The slightly worn 600s on the back of the car now measure 27.5" from the ground to crown. The Stahls aren't cheap buy any means either at a tick over $300 for 7:00x16. I also like Silvertowns but this would be in the direction of boring overplayed Firestones. Ahhhhhhhg!
    How anyone affords Firestone dirt track rears escapes me.


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  8. woodbutcher
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    :D Well,the name under your avatar pretty much says it all:p:rolleyes:.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
    Leo
     
  9. Tim
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    I guess you could always run some bias plies in a tread that isn't super common and just do burn outs with the fronts and the resrs until they are round?

    And I agree good lord tires are spendy
     
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    Be glad you don't live in canada. My tires for my truck were almost $2000 by the time I paid the taxes and got tubes.
     
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    Don't tell me that :(
     
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    Now this requires some imagination cause I have a long way to go and had to stop today. Also this stuff is twisted allover the place so things look goofy. Before I just took 3.5" straight across.
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    Now I started with another 1." At the B pillars. I want to go angle chop and laid back A pillars on this thing now to continue the racey direction things have turned.
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    The back is just under an inch and the front is like another .5 because I'm trying to leave material for when I move the lower parts back and pull the uppers forward to join the two at the windshield. I want the front to be close to 5" when all is said and...
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    The front has to come down a bunch.
    I need for this thing to just get into the "Lakes" look but save as much head room as possible. I know the wife will probably ***** already about getting in it. It's not low by any means yet but the tops of the doors are already at my chest(I'm 5.10).
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    The rear suspension is close to right but the front has all but one spring missing so the car is actually missing a lot of rake.
    As for the cowl Matt this will get tricky. The lower panel might wind up shorter than a 32 3w. I believe the body is sitting in the 1" slop area right now with the top of the cowl being close. But lower door corner is closer to the hood side opening than I expected. Also I might do something strange and take out a little between the rear of the door and the wheel well. The axle is actually way back in the frame and right now.
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    Everyone uses firestones because they are the best looking tire out there.
     
  15. So-cal Tex
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    This is the look you want!.......repeat after me FIRESTONES, FIRESTONES
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  16. Runnin shine
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    I'm not trying to sound like I dislike Firestones. It's just that I want to set this car apart from the m***es somehow while still being part of the m***es, it's a tightrope walk. Excelsior's won't do this either.
    I just love authentic 40's pics where the rear have square tread probably hand grooved and often mismatched, a rough around the edges vibe to the old cars. Sadly Firestones don't look aggressive enough or ****ty for that matter. They just seem to refined or perfect to me. Nothing about this build will be perfect.
    Except the chop when I'm done[emoji23]


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  17. Runnin shine
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    I may not have your Tires but I'm fighting not real hard to copy your push bar, it's the bees knees!
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  18. dumprat
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    I had Tornel tires on my T(see avatar) they are cheap. And only come in some sizes,7.50-16 being the ones I had. Grooved these would look awesome. They are pretty heavy, but you could do smokey burn outs for weeks and not wear them out.

    Side profile looking good on the car too!
     
  19. Runnin shine
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    I studied some on tire options most of this evening.
    But my brain is mostly stuck on the chop.
    I like the way the rear piece is sitting. I think I'll bring the front down more. It's off by about 3/8" in the middle and maybe 3/4 at the front.
    If I just make the two A pillar halves meet I don't think it will look laid back enough.
    The pics look way worse than in real life. When you walk into the garage it seems pretty bad*** and certainly chopped.
    I was day dreaming a bit and it dawned on me that a har***ing officer is going to have to lean way over to see inside or just talk to me through the roof opening. It's low enough to do that already.[emoji41]


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  20. Runnin shine
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    They're on their way!
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    Thanks @dumprat for the ideer and I might get Tornels and my very own first grooving tool.
    Now I'll new a new male shaft of proper length and thickness.(don't even bother @Tim )
    Maybe stainless or just get it chromed? Will see, Wyatt


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  21. dumprat
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    Some 3/4" stainless stepped down to 11/16" would be my vote.

    Maybe I should make one for my truck.......
     
  22. Runnin shine
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    This stuff is NOT for the faint of heart. I could fill this thread with talking about the body mods alone to make this work. I'm going to try to keep it under a million posts[emoji6]
    I will be figuring this cowl and body placement stuff for days if not weeks. I'm pretty damn confident I can pull it off though and I wont stop till it's just right.
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    I am going to try to leave the body about as down as it is as I can. It doesn't seem low and the rear tires are a mile away from the quarter lip with only just shy of 2" left before bottoming out right now. The body's belt line is low to the hood's though. Don't get me started on the changes that it will take to reshape it to better match the 34 body line. I also don't want to put the curve at the bottom of the windshield like a 32 3w. This is one area of the coupes beauty that I think the got wrong.
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    I like the current rake of the lower body on the frame. Once the front of the roof comes down I think it all will look good.
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    This is an example of where I will take out some of the body length and size. The panel will be shortened and I may raise the whole lower rocker part down the side. It's "channeled" fairly deep and it's a shame to hide all the frame.
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    Really starting to dig where the back roof half sits. Angling down the front half will be tricky at the B pillar. Sadly this also will make the chop just shy of 5" there and probably over that at the windshield.
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    Hopefully I can get away from the car looking to pancaked if I shorten the rear quarters. The gas tank is slid back about an inch to far and the back of the body matches it well. The wheel opening is back too far even though the axle is back about an inch too far also.
    It looks like I can shorten the body and leave the roof alone in length except for the A pillar lean, overall the roof will still be shorter than stock. This will make for a stubby 34 car but still long I think by 32 standards. With my front axle being pushed forward from a 32 and the stretching of the frame it is a 1/2" less wheelbase than a 34, well if I get the rear axle put back where it belongs. I've been bummed about its long wheel base for a while now. On one hand it will have stability. On the other it isn't helping it's turning radius or the Go-Carty fun factor.
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    Oh and check out how good the 32 3w dash top fits.
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    I had to cut out the 34s crank mount bracket stuff of course.
    One more thing. Even though I have a huge headache today and am off my game, probably need a break from it all, I can't begin to describe how I feel about this thing. I just stare at it hard and reshape it in my head with a squinty eye. I know it's at least a year away from being real and it's coming back apart soon, but dang it sends tinglies down the skin. I wish you all were here to see it starting to become aggressive and more than just rusty junk(or DUST as @Ford Mike calls it) not gold. Yes there's a million 32 fords out there now but this will be mine and I get to take people for rides in it and show them something special that they may not normally experience or even know about. Most of us all get a good feeling just seeing something like this drive by out there.
    Thanks everyone for keeping me on this mission, Wyatt.


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    As for the leaned back windshield...
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    The way the car sits right now(the back is low and the front is high) about 2-3 degrees leaned back. The stock pillars are at what appears to be 18. Don't pay attention to the pic cause it was hard to hold the phone and the finder.
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    And with a simulated lay back it is at about 23. So subtract the guesstimated 2-3 for proper stance and the it will be laid back 20ish. Say 6 deg. from stock.
    It doesn't look like much. I've heard of 18 but don't know what that is based off of.
    There is a fine line here. I don't like when they're slammed back. I like them left alone just as well but it creates a different vibe with each.
    Will see.


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    Wyatt, Just returned from the salt and I see you have been hard at it...Looking great dude!
    Say do you have any of the original front window crank parts left over? I am looking for some parts for one.
     
  26. Runnin shine
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    Glad your back safe Dennis. I knew your looking for that stuff but mine was junk. I know you know how I don't give up on anything so that's how bad it was. The gear teeth were almost unnoticeable. So sorry Sir.


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    Just cooling off for a minute at the hotel before the hamb drags pre party tonight and thought I'd check in.

    1: yeah I'd shorten the quarters your in the right track

    2: when you lean the windshield you can cut the cowl all the way across and lean it all back then the sides and the bottom of the opening stay correct in relation to each other

    3: could play with groving the firestones. You'd be surprised how different the tread on a common tire can change visually with some groves cut across them. Just print a photo off and go to town with a ruler and sharper

    4: for the love of god please tell me that things more braced up than it looks. I'm about exhausted from seeing people posting about messed up gaps and un even stuff after chopping or channeling a car and come to find out it wasn't braced up for **** before it was cut.

    5: I'll try to get some video of Ryan and Keith's side project full fendered car running for you. It'll inspired pretty much any one. :)
     
  29. 383deuce
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    Thank's for the speedy reply and I will keep looking for the arms with good teeth on them. Yours might just work for what I am going to do with them. Any chance you can snap a quick photo and send me? saum@hamilton.net I just might be able to save them by cutting new teeth.
    Bvill was great this year. I had a blast and the coupe was well accepted by all. Even got to do a group photo with Hop Up.
     
  30. 383deuce
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    DAM! Tim wish I could have made it to the HAMB drags this year. Have fun and pleas post photos.
     
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