Hot Rods Small Block Chev Alternator/ Starter Combo Unit

Has anybody seen a SBC alternator/ starter combo unit? I've got an early 327 block with the starter mounts in the bellhousing (rather than in the block like most), and I'd like to run the aluminum T5 bellhousing, but that leaves me without a spot to mount a starter. I've seen some alternator/ starter combo units on cars in the past, but haven't had much luck finding anything online. Thoughts?

Thanks

 

I have seen kits that relocate the starter to the oil filter pad, like this one ...
http://www.hylube.com/products/msrkit.htm

 

Also, I thought by the time that the 327 came out in '62 that the blocks were all drilled for a block mount starter?

 

I've been tripping over SBC engines for almost as long as I'm "old", and I have NEVER seen anything like this. It has the potential to save many broken starter motor engine bosses, and therefor the engines themselves, not to mention the room it could create in some circumstances. Amazing, and why has't anyone posted this before now? Thanks!
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

 

that's what I thought, too. Some don't have all 3 holes, for both sizes of flywheel, though.

 

Why not just run the proper bellhousing?

 

Neat adapter...kind of beyond me, though.

 

So, $281.75 for a starter relocation device that takes a special starter, or $50 for a swap meet bellhousing, that takes a starter you can get at the auto parts store....

 

Hmmm...interesting. I've never seen/heard of such an animal. Good luck in your search!

 

Rake a look at how this is written

* Let๯u relocate your mini starter to
take full advantage of the HY-LUBE
wet sump pan and Remote oil filter
systems.
* Adjustable starter relocator kit allows
the starter to be moved to the oil filter
side of the block.
* The adjustable starter mount allows for
proper drive tooth engagement.
* The adapter incorporates T oil
inlet/outlet ports and starter mounting
in one component.
* The starter can be removed from the
engine without disturbing the oil
inlet/outlet adapter.
* CNC machined from lightweight
aluminum billet.
* Available for, SB and BBChevy with
142, 153, 168 tooth ring gears.

I would not send them a dime. They used a translator to publish it in English and didn't use a good one.

Aside from the fact that it locates the starter and the steering box on the same side of the engine.

 

I've never seen the starter/alternator combo for a car, the only place I have ever seen something like that was on a gas powered air compressor. However the old generators like on a Model A Ford will motor if you hook power to them, and there is no load. I'm not sure what you would have to do to make one have enough torque to spin the engine if the belt was hooked up.Good Luck

 

This item would be very important it the car was a right hand drive....think about it..

 

I have run across a few starter Alt combos in the past . But all of them have been old 50s micro cars I.E. with small displacement motors . Not sure you would get a V-belt to hold up to that kind of abuse starting a V8 .

 

If you just need the inside hole drilled correctly, Goodson has a drill fixture (SDJ-1) that might help.

 

I've never seen a T-5 Chevy Bellhousing that mounts the starter. Enlighten me please

 

My 1966 Wheel Horse tractor has one....it's almost as big as the engine!

 

As long as the registration hole is the correct diameter, the pattern matches, and the depth is correct, the T5 does not know, or care what bellhousing you use.

 

goleafsgo_12 wants to run a later T-5 that sits offset on the bellhousing rather than straight up like an S-10 T-5 would.

Still as far as I now I have never seen a 327 that wasn't drilled for a starter at the factory unless it is possibly a truck block.
GLG have you looked at the block to see if the holes to bolt on the bolt to the block starter are there? And do you indeed have a 327 and not an earlier 283 that was sold to you as a 327?

 

Tail housings can be changed to correct the mounting pad angle.

And, well, why?

 

Yep, I have come across that when trying to put a small flex-plate on an early 283.

If that is the OP's problem, it is pretty simple to make a drilling jig that locates on the other two bolt holes and drill and tap the missing hole.

 

True there but that is beyond come guys capabilities.

 

https://www.goodson.com/Chevy-Starter-Drill-Jill-SDJ-1/

 

I haven't seen one either but I have seen T-5s adapted to stock (original old) bell housings.

In my experience I have discovered that if something doesn't fit in the box you sometimes have to alter the box.

 

I hate it when I get something stuck in my head and cant get rid of it. Thought about this one last night while watching a Bond, James Bond feature, double feature. I'm pretty sure it was about midway through Dr. No when I thought about using a toothed blower belt to drive the starter/alt combo. Easy enough to find the pulleys, would look cool, those power-gen cases have enough room to hold both components. Why not?

Honey Rider thinks it may work and she knows lots of things you don't know.

 

Not sure you can get a 168T flywheel in a T5 bellhousing. I suspect you cannot, but to confuse matters more:

https://www.danchuk.com/ItemForm.aspx?Item=10100

 

But there in lies the rub - the T-5 to bellhousing pattern is unique, as is the length on the input shaft compared to say a T-10 - so while it can be done, it isan't a "Bolt together" thing.

Those are made for automatic only as far as I know

 

I measured my M22 input shaft at 6.6", a TKO 600 from my neighbor at 6.71", and an 1989 Camaro T5 at 6.5". I am not sure 0.1" would even be worth machining down an extended pilot bushing for.

All three have the same bellhousing-to-block pattern. I am not sure what bellhousing pattern you are talking about. The other end is SBC, and SBC is SBC.



I have put Camaro T5's behind 235/261's in AD pickups, with only having to deal with the bottom bolt holes not being threaded in the AD bell, and the T5 bell holes being small and Metric. Both an easy fix.

Unless you are talking about a later, Ford pattern T5, with a Chevy pattern bell (Chevy Astro 90º 4.3l V6), then I am not sure what you mean.

 

Here's a nice write-up on putting a Camaro T5 in place of a Saginaw 3-speed.

http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=313954

No adapters, no spacers, no special parts (except for the tilted-pad crossmember).

 

What is the reason for running the aluminum T5 bellhousing?

If your desire is for a hydraulic clutch, you can use the 1960-1962 Chevy truck bellhousing, with a spacer ring for the center hole (hole is bigger, I think).

That has a place for a hydraulic slave cylinder, AND a three-bolt bellhousing-mount starter.

 

A customer brought a T-5 and his 4 speed bellhousing to my shop to install in his early Camaro. The Center Register Hole for the bell housing was larger than the T-5 and the 4 bolt pattern in the bellhousing did not match the 4 ears on the trans (That is the pattern I'm talking about). He claimed the T-5 was out of a late model Camaro and the bell was the original from the car with a T-10. When we found the mismatch, he took the stuff and said he would get the right parts - He ended up buying a Lakewood Bell