Not sure why that guy would've let them under his hood to look for numbers but that was his choice. My state says mine are legal and have state issued titles so if good enough for them it's good enough for me.
WTF really, let's just keep our cars out of California and sleep like babies at night. Maybe the day will come in Wisconsin where state troopers kick in my garage door to verify all my VIN's match the titles (which they do), but I won't be persuaded to worry about it until it happens.
gimpy I would hate to live in your world where every one that doesn't have the funds to buy a complete numbers matching verified of course by a expert as yourself car.is a criminal,fortunately your world is very small and not shared by the rest of this free country. heaven help us if people with your micro management tactics every take control
You just can't represent a car with faulty paperwork. If it's a special construction, with non matching numbers, file for a state issued construction title and new VIN. I think that Gimpy is basically saying the same. Your parts into car, better be registered as parts into car/special construction .... before the California register decides to investigate a historical title, into piles of non matching numbers parts, represented as an unmolested genuine. That's just the way it is. Anyhoo' .... back to the topic, not a 1932 frame, and congratulations on starting a hot rod build on a Model A frame. Collect your parts, and change the thread title. My Model A Frame Hot Rod Build, by the man with the best ass avatar .... WTF REALLY. ( really, that's indeed a nice ass )
Hi Just read these posts and my model a was built in Toronto Canada and a lot of the frames were not stamped right from the factory. What happens then in California? My reg. is the engine vin which is long gone, Regards Dave
How did you import it to the US? It will require a VIN/serial inspection to be registered in California. There are no exceptions to this, as the vehicle came from out-of-state. Old car, new car, every single vehicle is subject to this. The car would have to go to CHP for inspection, and be assigned a new VIN, so long as you have sufficient proof of ownership. YOU must provide a paper trail that the CA DMV finds acceptable. Unless there is a number permanently affixed to the vehicle that matches your title, or registration, in the case of jurisdictions that don't issue titles, you cannot prove that you own the vehicle, if/when it is called into question. That is the same in every US state, and on every age of vehicle. These laws are fairly uniform across the US. Maybe out in fly-over-land they don't bother to enforce them, but they are on the books. None of these laws are hard to follow. I cannot fathom why some folks are choosing this to be their form of rebellion.
Exactly. None of these laws are hard to follow, or expensive to follow. I even went out and got bonded and licensed, and charge basically gas and lunch money, to go out and help you guys not run afoul of the law. I will even pre-print all of your paperwork for you. I can show up with a hauler, if you have a truck that need a weight certificate, and take to the nearest scale, and do that for you, too! All 50-states have similar laws, whether or not they are enforcing them. None, that I know of, are any harder to follow than those in California. Why some of you are turning into internet tough guys, and "standing firm against the oppression of the man" is beyond me. With everything else going wrong in this world, that is where you are making your stand? That speaks more about your character, if that's the case, than it does about California, or me. I find Model A and T frames all of the time. In almost every case, they have a serial number that is not in the DMV system. You know what that means? It means that you can get it back into the system, and get a title on it, with minimal paperwork (most of which I can provide for you), a few small fees, and a 3-year surety bond(purchased online), which costs $100, total. It is not magic. If you then build a traditional hot rod, you are good to go. We don't have vehicle inspection here, and there is no smog on vehicles 1975, or older. Most cops are too bothered with real crime to care if you are fender-less, bumper-less, etc. The title stays branded as a bonded title for three years, after which, if no claim against the title has been made, you can have the brand removed. There is no restriction to selling, either. The buyer just must maintain the branded status for the remainder of the 3-year period, and must be made aware of the conditional nature of the title. One visit from me, one trip to a scale if it's a pickup, and one trip to the DMV (two if non-operational when initially registered), and that's is. Make an appointment(s) and you will barely even have to wait. After that, renew your registration every year, and you will never have to interact with the man again. Well, okay, one more trip to have the brand removed from the title. I am sorry that it is a little more complicated than showing up on your tractor, and showing them your gun rack, but it ain't by much.
Shotrods that's pretty much what I was saying without typing so much. It's really easy to get a title for anything. I'll take them all with no papers for scape price.
Hi sorry but I should of said I live in Canada and it is reg. in b.c. I was wondering if I sold it. how would it work to reg in Cal. Regards Dave
It's just not that hard to do it correctly/right and never worry about it. If I buy a car and have to listen to some half baked story on why the paper work is not matching, I pass.....straightening out someone else's shit record keeping is not my thing.......
Yes, and no. The only national checks that the public can get ready access to only work with the current US standard 17-digit VIN. These were not officially mandated until 1981. The easiest access for those is the NCIB. They have a free online theft check: https://www.nicb.org/how-we-help/vincheck For numbers prior to that, you need an LEO, or a DMV/RMV employee. Many jurisdictions require an LEO to fill out a report for doing a VIN check, so they won't just do it, on the spur of the moment, some don't.
Of course, this scenario brings up an important point: Not all states and municipalities have digitized their old stolen vehicle records. Many are now in the process of doing so. This is why you are seeing reports of people getting their cars taken, in many cases when they have "owned" them for a long time. All the more reason to have valid numbers, and legitimate title. As more of these records come online, many more cars will be going away.
Your records are being digitized, as I type this. "The company’s (Fast Enterprises, LLC) FastDS-VS® software is in production for Arkansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Utah, and is being implemented in North Dakota and Washington." It will take some time, but change is coming. I hope you are ready.
And what does this mean? Having a car verified, and paying for it to be so? Ever done it? Total misconceptions with this thread going on. Everyone act's like their mortgaging their home or something..... Get a clue people before you assume arm chair quarterback......
I am really trying, but some folks really, really want this to be their form of rebellion. It will lead to heartache, at minimum. It ain't even about the money. If you are that short on scratch, I will stamp your paperwork, for free. Make me a damn sandwich, or a plate of spaghetti. All I want is this hobby to be legit, and everyone safe from possible harm and/or loss. If and when the s!hit starts to hit the fan with newly digitized records, lawmakers who care not for our hobby might notice a trend, and decide to start passing laws about it. Let me tell you right now, you don't want that. Nothing kills a hobby like legislation written by people who know nothing of it, and simply don't care. I am a problem solver. Not your enemy.
As I recall, when I verified yours, we spent more time talking about supercharged Hemis, and other things that go boom, than it took me to do the job.
Not necessarily. Titles are revoke-able documents. The state can void it, in a heartbeat, in the event of a legal issue. As frightening as that sounds, it's true. It brings up some interesting notions about ownership. All 50-states can do this, but here is CA's law: "VEHICLE CODE - VEH DIVISION 3. REGISTRATION OF VEHICLES AND CERTIFICATES OF TITLE [4000 - 9808] ( Division 3 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. ) CHAPTER 5. Offenses Against Registration Laws and Suspension, Revocation, and Cancellation of Registration [8800 - 8804] ( Chapter 5 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. ) 8800. (a) The department may suspend, cancel, or revoke the registration of a vehicle or a certificate of ownership, registration card, license plate, or permit under any of the following circumstances: (1) When the department is satisfied that the registration or the certificate, card, plate, or permit was fraudulently obtained or erroneously issued. (2) When the department determines that a registered vehicle is mechanically unfit or unsafe to be operated or moved upon the highways. (3) When a registered vehicle has been dismantled or wrecked. (4) When the department determines that the required fee has not been paid and the same is not paid upon reasonable notice and demand. (5) When a registration card, license plate, or permit is knowingly displayed upon a vehicle other than the one for which issued. (6) When the registration could have been refused when last issued or renewed. (7) When the department determines that the owner or legal owner has committed an offense under Sections 20 (with respect to an application for the registration of a vehicle), 4000, 4159 to 4163, inclusive, 4454, 4456, 4461, 4463, 5202, 10750, and 10751, involving the registration or the certificate, card, plate, or permit to be suspended, canceled, or revoked. (8) When the department is so authorized pursuant to any other provision of law. (b) The department may suspend the registration of all vehicles registered in the name of a person, under any of the following circumstances: (1) When the United States Secretary of the Department of Transportation or his or her designee issues a lawful out-of-service order pursuant to Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations. (2) When the department suspends or revokes a motor carrier of property permit. (3) When the Public Utilities Commission suspends or revokes operating authority or private registration. (c) A suspension imposed pursuant to subdivision (b) shall remain in effect and a vehicle for which registration has been suspended shall not be registered in the name of the person until the department verifies that person’s federal registration, federal operating authority, California operating authority, California private registration, or motor carrier of property permit is reissued. (Amended by Stats. 2006, Ch. 288, Sec. 3. Effective January 1, 2007.)" For the uninitiated, "vehicle or a certificate of ownership" is a title. If you live in a state that has records that are only on paper, or are not easily digitally accessible by other states, you could have a serial number that is in use on another vehicle, or a stolen vehicle. If/when your state's records are brought up-to-date, you might be in for a surprise. That is what is happening now. This is why you are seeing it in the news more and more. Tennessee will not be immune to this. It is working toward moving up to the late 20th century, as we speak. This is what I am working to prevent. Why anyone would be against that is beyond me.
TL;DR: if you have a vehicle that might have "gray area" issue, fix it now, before your state fixes it for you.
Well accoding to that they can take your can when ever they see fit. Just like anything else it's a game you just have to know how to play it. With that law they can take a car any car at any time. Nothing is guaranteed sounds like to me.
Now you understand the temporary nature of everything. I guarantee that every state has similar laws on the books, and not just for cars. Don't give them a reason. Play the game like they want you to. If you need help, get it.
Not sure what you mean get help if need it? I play there stupid beeping games have titles and insurance on them all but sounds like that's worthless if they want it.
If you have a car with "paperwork issues" there services that can help, like mine, at least in my part of CA. And yeah, we live in an illusion. Don't pull back the curtain. There is nothing behind it that you want to see.
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