Hot Rods How do the shops with television coverage avoid OSHA?

Back to the OP:
The TV shows avoid safety requirements because they are not actually working, they are simulating work.

 

In NY, if you have a shop, you will have OSHA paying you a visit sooner or later. Sooner if someone drops a dime.. I mean a quarter on you.

 

In four feet, you have accelerated to 16 mph. In four feet, your impact equals that of a ton.
I fell backwards at work and landed in a confined space, on the corner of an electrical junction box.
Not fun.
2 broken ribs, 4 cracked ribs, partially collapsed lung, busted the membranes that hold my guts in place.
I wasn't high enough to need a harness. If the impact was three inches in, I'd be in a wheelchair.
Safety third, I always say.

 

It's a shakedown, they get to keep the money. You'd find violations too if your paycheck depended on it. Very sad.

Round these parts some years ago OSHA showed up to this high speed precision gearbox outfit. Seems to me it was a lack of conduit covering wires for low voltage controllers or somesuch. Big fines, etc.

The owner was royally pissed though, good guy, and didn't roll over. He was older, a Romanian or Hungarian immigrant or something like that and had suffered under both Nazis and Communists and therefore knew a little bit about what he was talking about, and he ended up testifying before congress.

 

Safety third?
You have that backwards.
Safety first.
Always.

 

The OSHA guys get paid on commission?

 

My point is, how can the attachment point be rated for 5000 pounds if what it's attached to isn't? The test procedure requires hanging a 5,00lb weight from the anchor point. It's comparable to having a 10 ton hoist on a beam capable of supporting one ton. There are also cages to use on forklifts. How is a forklift rated at 1500 lbs supposed to support a 5,000 lb anchor point?

 

I watched Iron Resurrection last night and he cut the floor out of a car with a 6 inch grinder with no guard wearing glasses and a short sleeved shirt.

 

Safety third was on a program called Rocket City Rednecks where Travis Taylor emphasized three things. I think it was 1 Family, 2Country and 3 safety. So safety third.

 

No but they have to find something to justify being there. A truck driver showed me how he kept a burned out bulb for trailer marker lights and would put it in a light easily seen on the drivers side. At the scales, the inspectors would see it and he would jump out change the bulb and be good to go. His thought was that they were going to find something and it was better that they found something easy to fix.

 

That is 100% false.

 

Read my second from previous post.

 

OSHA was created to curb work related deaths and injuries
an estimated 14K workers died each year before its creation

 

Yeah, but wasn't life grand then?

 

not to sound disrespectful......
but statistically speaking, work was more dangerous than Vietnam
a 25 year statistical study (1944-69 ) stated that 400k US workers had died and over 50 million injured at work

 

Well a few things.

As previously mentioned it’s tv.

They can edit anything together so they could use it as cause to do an inspection and find something but that episode on tv doesnt
hold water any better than a cup full of holes.

Also some of these “shops” on tv don’t really exist outside of of the television show.

I know a couple people on a few shows you’ve all seen and none of the people on the show actually work at the shop, some of the shops don’t even exist. I know of one that the shop name is a real shop, but the show is filmed in a warehouse set with a crew of people who don’t work for the real shop.

It’s tv. It’s about as real As things you read on the internet.

On an ending note I’m curious of the loop holes involved in not having any employees but only using independent contractors. It’s kind of a technicality but it would make every person there there own boss and they are just renting work space

 

A recent study has shown that more people have died from nuclear fallout (cancer) from domestic testing than were killed by the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So, statistically speaking, the work was more dangerous than the bombs.
https://qz.com/1163140/us-nuclear-t...a-scale-comparable-to-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/

 

They are no longer enforcement personnel. They are revenue generators. They have to write fines to justify their salaries. It is a top heavy agency it needs a lot of dollars to pay those that no longer enforce policy. They may not have an official quota system, but they need to write more fines than warnings or employment will be terminated. I am not totally against them, they should do a bit more about education then they do. Yes, you can hire a firm to show you what is wrong with your workplace. You will notice it is usually retired OSHA running it. They will be two steps behind the regulations, which is better than most companies are. If OSHA came in and directly taught the codes a company would only be one step behind.
Just my unfounded opinion.

 

It appears that maybe not was correct.
You have missed the point completely by asking irrelevant questions.
Study the issue further and look at things like safety factors etc.
Education would clear things up for you. Maybe

 

They are an enforcement agency, not an educational institution. ALL of the regulations are in print, and online.

When I was running my shop, full tilt, with 4 employees, 16-hours-a-day, I had 5-visits from them, in 10-years. One every-other-year.

Not one single fine, violation, warning, or even piece of advice given. None, nada, zip, zero. Why? I can read.

Same with the building inspector, and the fire marshal, too.

Compliance is not OSHA's job. That is your job.

 

Back in 70's when I started my Tool & Die Shop, was a 4 man operation when an OSHA inspector walked in my shop and gave it an inspection,very interesting and cost me some $$$. I had to buy/build a few guards for equipment that I had never seen guards on anywhere. I complied and never had an bad inspection again. The insurance co. inspectors cost me $$$ several times with there inspections/updates, example, fire suppression on my EDM machine, local fire inspector comes yearly to check your date tags, now you send them out for certification $$$, a workman's comp claim brings on another set of problems, Health insurance, Holiday pay, ALL out of your bottom line. For anyone that wonders why shop rates get up so high, sit and talk with someone that ran a legit insured business that offered benefits. IMO most people punching in/out have NO Clue why the owner/boss gets grumpy as their check always cashes without all the BS that comes with being a business owner. An employee has 1 simple job to do, HIS JOB, Amazed me through the years how difficult that was for most men. RANT OVER, I feel better now, LOL. Still feel being a small business owner was the right thing for me as it ran 37 years and would do it over again, some things different, ITS MY Way or the Highway LOL ! Part of My Charm.

 

I used to be on a safety committee in a Union forge shop. I was involved with a few OHSA safety inspections back in the 80s.
My experiences with OHSA inspections gave me a lot less confidence in the Government's ability or actual willingness to protect me from injury at work. OHSA looks a lot like a transfer of funds organization to me.

There are several reasons right there why I am the only employee at my shop. The only down sides are the boss is a prick, I have to do all the work, and there are no benefits employee's at other places enjoy. I can take all the time off I want, but I don't get paid for it. LOL! I had to be self employed, I was a horrible employee. Gene

 

I've never understood why a company would be fined for an employee or employees' violation(s). Is it really a company's fault? I don't personally think so. Seems to me that safety is an individual's responsibility. If a company provides a dangerous environment, yeah it's on them but some work is inherently dangerous and nothing will change that.

 

An entrepreneur is someone who will work sixteen hours a day to avoid working eight hours a day for someone else.

A friend of mine ran a small job shop machining operation and he said you would not believe how much the paperwork increases as soon as you hire someone.

 

The company/employer is legally responsible for the safety of their employees, period. When I was a supervisor I was responsible and accountable for those working under me. Did I like it? No, but it was part of the job. Though I hated having to discipline someone for changing the bit in a battery drill without first removing the battery... it could potentially be my ass if something happened to him. Thankfully I'm no longer in that kind of position.

And no, I don't pull the battery out of my DeWalt drill when changing the bits...

 

That's the rules.
sometimes it was fun to remind the current "new boss" that he was completely responsible for our actions. That Usually happened right after the introduction, "Hello gents, I'm the new boss here". Then "Great, how does it feel to be completely responsible for our actions?"

 

Guess I'm pretty lucky being the employee in that way. Easy to forget the BS that owners, management, supervisors put up with. Like they say, no such thing as free lunch.

 

Guards on grinders? Why should there be rules about that? OSHA can't tell me what to do!

 

OSHA is self funding. They receive no tax dollars


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Huh.....Same as me!