'54 Dodge Red Ram - Baby Hemi?

That thing is too cool. I love the ingenuity.

 

Here's a 53' 241" backed by a T5 and quickie with a final ratio of 3.78 it gets 20-22 mpg running (3) 97's straight linkage.

 

Well since this got bumped up,
I know where there's two 241's (1 car & 1 truck)that have been sitting upside down forever (15-20yrs) & was wondering what the heads will fit, one of them has rot holes in the oil pan-so I'm thinking water may worked it's way inside,

 

The heads will fit all of the Dodge Hemis, and hemi based Polys(Inc Plym & Desoto) but sealing on the 330/341/345 blocks at the top edge of the head has marginal area. they have smaller ports & valves than the high deck heads, some like that for higher port velocity.

 

One I had years ago. Cool looking motor.

 

Dodge heads will not fit Desoto based 276,291 330, 341 or 345 motors all were Hemis no polys. Desoto did use 325 dodge poly motors in 1957. Also 241 and 270 hemis are not only shorter but the are narrower than a SBC with exhaust manifolds.

 

Quite sure that is a Hollywood style camera truck where the rear platform would be used to mount one or more cameras. The truck would then "follow the action" and in this case that probably means "to anywhere".

 

Probably why I didn't say Desoto hemis.....& probably should have said specificly the Dodge Hemi based Plym Polys, not the "A" Polys.

 

The intake rockers are the same on the 241 Dodge and 330 DeSoto, The Chrysler timing cover will interchange with the Dodge. This is a very informative link that shows all the specs for the early hemis. http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/desoto-c5.htm.

 

I just wondered about the sealing comment on the 330 341 and 345. I know it can be an issue on 241 heads from 53 and 54 years on 55 and later Dodge based blocks.

 

Try it again..the 330/341/345 are Desoto hemis & Dodge heads won't fit, they only fit on Dodge Hemis/Polys 241/270/315 & 325, and Dodge Polys along with Desoto 325 Poly & the Plymouth 241/259/270 polys. On the Dodge 315/325 hemi heads have a wider edge along the top above the push rod holes. When you use 241 heads on the 315/325 blocks they will seal but there's not a lot of extra material vs the high deck heads(the 270 heads have a bit more than the 241).

 

hey guys,,, Trakroadster, shared me this link a while back.. theres some very interesting stuff on here.....

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/0805sr-vintage-engines/

Crate

 

Just curious ........ will a 315-325 high deck red ram hemi intake fit a 241 - 270 low deck red ram hemi ?

 

Only if it's a log like a 6x2

 

dodge 59 No.

 

ok ....what about a 2x4 offy ? is the angle different between the low and high deck ?

found this about performance upgrades 2x4 red ram hemis >>> Intake Manifold Selection
Some general comments on intake manifold design, selection and use:
1. Log manifolds (as shown above) are for racing only, have poor idle quality, un-even mixture distribution, and require expensive and complex linkage to function properly. The advantages are classic old-school appearance, light weight, ease of modification and repair, and "one type can fit both low deck and raised deck motors" by lengthening the connecting hoses. Log manifolds used on, or adapted to, motors that normally have integral valley covers (such as the poly “A”) will have to fabricate a cover.

 

It isn't angle, it's the width. When block deck height is increased the heads are farther apart and, unless the heads are redesigned to account for that, a low deck manifold is too narrow.

One notable exception to that in the MOPAR family is the Chrysler 392 Hemi. The heads were changed in the intake mounting surface area and the earlier low deck 331/354 intake manifolds will fit. However, racers found the 392 head design intake ports did not flow as well as the earlier heads because there was now a curvature in the port. They routinely used earlier heads and spacer plates to bridge the gap at the manifold.

Dodge and DeSoto had no such design change to the heads on any hemi/poly.
Theoretically, I suppose you could fit a low deck Dodge or DeSoto manifold to their respective high deck block by using a similar spacer. But a high deck manifold will not fit a low deck block/heads.

Ray

 

Good info Ray. Thanks !
here is a pic of a redram hemi with dual quads . must be a 315-325 hemi .

 

They made all kinds of intakes for the 241 270 baby hemi . I know a few guys were making them too like Edmunds, Edelbrock and offenhauser 2x4 2x2 and 4X2 and 3x2 along with 2 styles of log manifolds. The log manifold works great and looks bitchen . It's also know as a poor man's Ardun ha ha ha. I have a extra intake if you needing one

 

It's a smart man's Ardun......

Ray

 

Jeff thats the intake I need! What a wicked cool car and motor!WOW Is that a original intake for the 4-71
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That's EXACTLY what it is!.... hahahah!!!
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Hi there Weiand made a casting for a 4x2 intake for Destoto 276 & 291 low deck motors (includes Poly's) with the same casting which has two different bolt hole patterns, will when drilled in the other set of bosses will mount on a 315/325 High deck Dodge. Log manifolds from Desoto's will sit on Dodge Hemi's but you have to redrill bolt patterns. Weiand actually sold the 4x2 manifolds both ways! Hope this helps ya out?

 

Am surprised that no one has mentioned that the Ala Kart has had a Red Ram Hemi since day one and still does and ran with 4 x 97's or Hilborn injection...............that blown one would do also.........great thread, thanks..........andyd

 

My understanding is that they used a common rough casting, but the finished castings had different intake to head flange angle besides the bolt pattern.

 

Hi there yeah i think they may have used a rough cast for both then machined them differently, also looking for any photos of Edmunds 2x2 or 2x1 carb manifolds for Desoto Hemi V*'s, or a Edmunds 3x2 Intake for Chrysler 331 hemi V8's or anyone wanting to sell a Cunningham 331 hemi 4x1 carb manifolds? all the best Brett

 

Edmunds are 2X2 or 2X4, never heard of an Edmonds 3 deuce one off hand, but 3 2 bolt 2 bl would be a bit lite on CFM for a Chrysler though I do have a dim recollection of an intake like that up for sale years ago. Don't remember who make it, supposedly 1 of 75 made.

 

I hesitate to ask, but since this old thread is back up & the Weiand intake for the low deck Desoto / high deck Dodge has been brought up...'

Vintage Speed (please let's not make this about Mr. Price) list a 4/2bbl intake for the 276-291 Desoto. They say it can also be machined for the 315-325 Dodge hemi.

Has anyone bought and used this intake for either engine? What did you think of it after installation?

Thanks in advance.
-Dave

 

Dave the one redram log intake I got is from a buddy. He got it because it was being sold as a DESOTO intake. When he went to bolt it down the holes didn't line up and it's close but didn't fit his engine.

 

John the Vintage Speed 4x2 intake is not a log type intake. It's similar to the Weiand with all 4 carbs in a row. It sounds like they use a single casting with different machining for either Desoto or Dodge. It's been listed in their on line catalog for several years, I just don't want to be a guinea pig trying one that should fit the big Dodge 325.
-Dave