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Technical Anti chatter rods . Use em or lose em?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by bct, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Bruce Lancaster
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    Anti chatter...known routes:
    rods from any solid part of engine/trans to frame in a lengthwise diretction. Ford 1932 used a simple rod from socket on engine to crossmember that can be fabricated for earl flathead using engine and car as the jig. I have been told (have not checked!) that one of the engine to bell holes in the late flathead is properly placed...run the threaded end of lengthened rod through bolt hole, it will clamp the load formerly held by that bolt as well as anchoring things.
    On some models Ford ran the rods forward and bolted end to front crossmember.
    Bracing the top of the front engine mount bolts would also work...straps from under top nuts bolted to crossmember.
    Most things you could do would be very simple projects. They will stabilize the power train and give better operation of clutch.
    Remember, you do not want to know what a '32 For radiator looks like after your fan ate it...
     
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  2. bct
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    Just haven't cut my torque tube down yet. Until I do that and locate the mount for the front of my wishbones they are at a stock length. Just so happens the long bones fit into my leg brace which is close to the angle they will be at the end of the day. What you are looking at is not finished yet.
     
  3. bct
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    I am going to switch to 32 engine mounts from the tardel side mounts. @Bruce Lancaster will the regular biscuits work up front. I remember reading they are slightly different.
     
  4. 51504bat
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    A while ago someone either here or on Ebay was selling the brackets to use on an 8ba with either the Merc stamped steel 1/2 bell or the truck cast iron 1/2 bell. Sorry I can't be more specific but IIRC they weren't that expensive and seemed to be well made.
     
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  5. 19Fordy
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    I am pretty sure that 1941 was the last year Ford used engine stabilizer( anti-chatter) rods.
     
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  6. mkubacak
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    I am curious as to what the last year was. I do not recall the 1946 chassis I disassembled a couple of years ago having them. But, they could have been removed before I purchased it, or my memory could fail me again.
     
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  7. Hnstray
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    I agree that somewhere around ‘41 or ‘42 the steady rods were eliminated. The reason being, I believe, was the redesigned rear transmission mount and corresponding frame mount in the X member. The later design really captured the frame section to prevent any significant fore/aft movement of the power train upon acceleration/deceleration.

    Ray
     
  8. 19Fordy
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    Ford had them in 1941. Shown in photo below.They bolted to front cross member..
    They were gone in 1942 and thereafter. IMG_6230b.jpg
     
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  9. Bruce Lancaster
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    '42-8 depended on sort of interlocking metal brackets on trans and frame held together by a block of rubber glued to both. That worked and simplified civilian usage, but the things were found to fail in certain applications...namely use in North African combat '42-3...and the Canadian army supplied kits to convert them to '41 steady rods!
    I've used the late biscuits. Memory is getting old but I think maybe you toss the metal cup on top of crossmember as it is redundant to the stamping on crossmember and sits badly. Like trying to stack 2 identical tea cups. Try it and see if that's right. Drake sells a slightly overlength through bolt that might be handy to have.
    There are I think two early design '32 crossmembers to mess things up, but they are fortunately rare.
     
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  10. Bruce Lancaster
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    Remember you want the '32-6 mounts...one of the bits in there is different, never can remember which, and I think street roddish places think they are the same. Hurst stuff also used the '37 up kind.
     
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  11. V8 Bob
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    I would think the main reason they stopped being used was the new (modern) clutch equalizer design beginning with the side-shift '40 that minimizes or eliminates any forward motion during disengagement.
     
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