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  1. Six Ball
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    There's not much that hasn't been done but just because you can doesn't mean you should.:rolleyes:
     
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  2. They sure as hell do, good eye.
     
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  3. Stogy
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    It is interesting that all through the whole period there has always been a mini/econo car movement such as Crosley, Austin, Fiat so it's no surprise some made the jump over into Hotrod culture...but a very tight situation indeed. The Ole Model A Sport Coupe is tight enough as it is.
     
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  4. at the vintage races at limerock this year i watched a lot of 4 cylinders, keep up/beat 6 and 8 cylinder cars. you could see the lighter cars go into the corner deeper, brake and accelerate quicker and hug the corner better of course the bigger engines won on the straight aways.
    does a crosley engine have more horsepower than a T?
     
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    Crosley
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosley

    44.2 cu in (724 cc) 26.5 HP straight-4
    a claimed cruising speed of 50 mph (80 km/h)

    Ford Model T
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T_engine

    177 cu in (2.90 L) inline 4-cylinder engine. It was primarily a gasoline engine. It produced 20 hp (15 kW) for a top speed of 45 mph (72 km/h).

    Ford Model A
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_A_(1927–31)

    201 cu in (3.3 l).[6] This engine provided 40 hp (30 kW; 41 PS).[6] Top speed was around 65 mph (105 km/h)

    Austin
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Austin_Car_Company

    747 cc (45.6 cu in) inline-four engines, enabling the car to return It was capable of 50 mph (80 km/h) in high gear.
     
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  6. Stogy
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    DVrme96W4AAcImr.jpg

    1280px-Crosley_racing_engine.jpg

    Fiats, Austin's, Prefects and Crosleys were
    Very popular in Race
    As they were Light
    and easily adapted to
    Single seat speed demons...

    Credit to Photographer, Owner

    https://ahrf.com

     
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    These are shots today 11/17/18 of Isky and his Roadster reunited once again. It took a lot to get it back from CT. But they’re back together once again.....where they both belong. ;).
     
  8. Stogy
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    :rolleyes:...Epic Hotrod and Man...Thanks for sharing those @Cyclone Kevin...;)
     
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  9. foolthrottle
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    I don't recall ever seeing another cylinder head set up like the Isky T
     
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  10. Stogy
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    Quoted from AHRF...
    "John had a little shop called Mercury Tool and Die about three blocks from where this shot was taken. Ed was home on leave from the Army Air Corps and had to take his car for a spin. The car had a 21 stud flat motor in it as it does today running Maxi Heads and one piece valve covers that John made the patterns for and carved Iskendarian into way back when."

    Maxi F-type OHV heads not a lot of info on these...

    https://ahrf.com/blogs/jims-news/posts/anyone-for-breakfast

    https://www.museumofamericanspeed.com/ediskendarian.html

    https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ed-iskenderian-the-camfather/

    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...-isky-t-every-pic-ever.1083681/#post-12283179

    Credit to Photographer, Owner

     
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    Those heads were only for the exhaust valves, the intakes remained the same, you can see the spark plugs location changed. The head was designed for a truck originally. Years ago I had Isky grind a cam for a 331 Hemi and I used their springs, dramatic performance improvement. the only other changes were a electronic ignition(HEI) from a 454, they reved at about the same rate and an Edelbrock 750 cfm carb
     
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    Do you by chance know the name of the company that produced these heads...I would like to see if I could find the patent info.

    The closest I got was "This Company made these Maxi Heads"...;)

    John with Isky in the photo above was a machinist but was I believe was only responsible for the text in the cover which is very cool as well.
     
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  13. foolthrottle
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    Sorry you know as much as I do about those heads, so what was the point of them? better cooling for the exhaust valves? better flow?
     
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    It seems that many of these conversions were more service related rather than race...but racing go fast eyes were always on the prowl for innovation to give it a whirl.

    The trucking industry and the automotive industry had shortcomings and entrepreneurial sorts saw dollar signs in engineering fixes for those problems.

    Still searching out Maxi info and even here it really is not really expanded on any more than what you have mentioned...even by Ed himself.


    Here's a wild one...not Maxi but an Ardun competitor apparently.

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    Quoted from Post below...
    "Don Clark and Clem Tebow of C. T. Automotive introduced these heads designed by Kenny Adams in 1952 in response to the Arduns."
    https://www.imgrumweb.com/post/BBJY25Fyy_L

    Credit to Photographer, Owner



     
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  15. foolthrottle
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    I guess I read somewhere that Isky used those heads because they looked cool. Years ago I read about a foundry in Auto Aficianado Magazine that had a massive collection of casting molds for obscure racing parts, it was called Ferguson Foundry, they acquired, bought the molds , plans for a bunch of stuff , Wayne cross flow for GMC, Ardun and on and on, as well as a large collection of racing engines.
     
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    Quoted and clarifiying your facts...this is from the Hotrod article...

    https://www.hotrod.com/articles/ed-iskenderian-the-camfather/

    "There was this company that made Maxi F heads for the 21-stud early V8 flathead. The flathead used to get hot and they thought that was because the exhaust valve was in the block, so they made an overhead valve where the exhaust was on top but the intake was still in the block. I picked up those heads for $65 and had them filled in for high compression. We had to plug the old exhaust hole in the head, so the easiest thing to fill it up with was lead, then we had to file it flat with the rest of the head by hand and drill a hole for the pushrod to come through there to work the overhead exhaust valve. So we put the car on a 45-degree angle to pour lead on one side, then put it up 45 degrees the other way, to do the other side. It was easier to do it that way than to pull the engine out since the car was already together. So somebody said, “Let’s play like we had a big wreck here.” That’s my brother, Luther, in the car and Herman Lamb is down on the ground."

    It doesn't mention performance however but I'm sure all these conversions were made as an improvement to the stock config. flathead and that was played out back then and now many are obviously quite sought after.
     
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    @foolthrottle here's an interesting twist on the Maxi Heads which is what Everyone seems to refer them as...Well whilst snooping around, the Kustomrama story on Ed contains this pic amongst others which gets me thinking which is correct...Maxi or Maxy...o_O

    Ed-iskenderian-western-timing-association-1939.jpg


    Oh and a cool shot before the one piece Covers...
    in 1938

    800px-Ed-isky-iskenderian-1924-ford-model-t-BH-035-014.jpg

    Credit to Photographers, Owners

    https://www.kustomrama.com/index.php?title=Ed_Iskenderian's_1924_Ford

     
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  18. Love all the research and detail @Stogy & the rest dig up and present. I had to smile at the document above that seems pretty obviously to have had the parent signatures applied by the same person - most likely Ed. ;)
     
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    That's funny...:D...he probably told them that he'd be right back they were just around the corner waiting...good eye @brEad.
     
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  20. That is one cool truck and Tony is a Great guy I talk to him at the Syracuse Nationals. I believe he was in the top 100.
     
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  21. Six Ball
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    Very nice, and "inline" with my preferred engine choices. :confused:
     
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    :rolleyes:...it is a stunning machine...not a bad angle is there?...thanks Kevin.

    Sold...$146,500.00
     
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  25. Six Ball
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    They don't get better than that.
     
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    I'd say a good percentage is. Must be very comfortable...with those cushy seats...

    It's good to see some desire from the younger crowd to reach back a little bit.

    Hey @ratamahata always good to hear from you...;)
     
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