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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Bigcheese327, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. Ned Ludd
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    I actually fell asleep last night thinking of how to reverse the Isetta pattern on a small front-engined two-seat car with a single rear door. I dozed off considering the possibility of mounting the seats to a side-hinged door, and what you'd do with your legs when closing it.
     
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  2. motoklas
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    Hello, Dawie!
    Any sketches - so, we could enjoy too.
    It looks to me as Isetta turned around for 180°?
    Ciao,
    Zoran
     
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  3. Outback
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    I have recently been exposed to this world, I have from time to time explored this thread, not really understanding cyclecars...
    My boss has been keeping this engine for a GN special, similar to the 'Thunderbug' GN. However the details of the engine are a little vague. It was bought in Germany.
    4 1/8" bore & approx 8" of cyl wall. Certainly an interesting thing!

    Does anyone have any idea's?

    It's cyls/heads are cast as one piece, you'll see the spark plug comes in perpendicular to the bore, top of the combustion chamber is flat.. there aren't any rocker gear, crank/rods, or valve train, oil pump etc. There are pistons which are quite short, but unsure if they are correct..

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  4. banjeaux bob
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  5. fredvv44
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    I have put this on another forum and you may get some replies here, I hope.
    Interesting engine.
     
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  6. banjeaux bob
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  7. noboD
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    I love the tricycle, even though neither one of us could get in it.
     
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  9. fredvv44
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    I think we had this pic before and nobody could identify the trike.
     
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  10. SR100
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    We saw this one on page 376. I thought (and still think) the trike looks like a Sandford. The main pumps are clock-face double Bennetts, which implies early thirties and U.S., but as 37Kid mentioned, it's not normal to have the globe perpendicular to the pump here. Incidentally, the front left pump and the right rear pump have matching Super Shell globes. The front right and left rear pumps have different, matching globes.
    It's a pity that the pic isn't higher resolution, the sign above the door might answer it.
     
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  11. banjeaux bob
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    I forgot I posted that one. It's still a great image even if it's a repeat.
     
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  12. banjeaux bob
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    89667534_2783562568346705_366930734113357824_o.jpg The oldest known Amilcar present day.
     
  13. noboD
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    Bob, with my lack of memory it looked like a new one and I still like it.
     
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  14. fredvv44
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    It is similar but the Sandford grill is more vertical and the tail more blunt. Also look at the panel over the frame rails where the leaf springs attach. The Sandford is much different. The roof line is also different as is the windscreen height.
     

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  15. SR100
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    I don't think that odd front panel covers the front of the springs. Its above the axle, even after it slopes in front. It's clear that the body in this pic (whatever it is) was built as a coupe and isn't a roadster conversion. Three wheeled coupes are pretty rare. I hope the ID pops up eventually.
     
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  16. Rolfzoller
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    Have a nice weekend 7718F73F-6E87-404A-AAE8-F47DFC2E462E.jpeg
    From stiffspeed
     
  17. Rolfzoller
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    Wish you and your families all the best in this very strange time. EE281D24-EB35-4E56-9C06-5AAD80632F8E.jpeg 75E00E80-774F-45CA-8C20-6A7D23249942.jpeg Fuji Threwheeler
     
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  18. SR100
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    The first known Morgan/GN special, built by Tommy Sulman to race at Crystal Park's dirt track.
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    The picture appears to be from an article in Light Car & Cyclecar about the conversion. (I've never been able to find the rest of the article.) He later converted it back to three wheels and sold it. He passed the GN axle to Jan Breyer, who built Salome with it.
     
  19. SR100
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    Does anyone have Motor Trend on Demand (I know, I know)? The latest episode of Restoration Garage ['Cyclecars & Citroens', season 6, episode 6] has the owner and his wife in France. They check out a Sizaire-Berwick and a cyclecar. I only caught the end, so I didn't hear what make the cyclecar was. I imagine they'll repeat it on the regular MT channel, but I didn't see it on the schedule.
     
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  20. Google says it's from 1914 :D
     
  21. 41 GMC K-18
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    The Briggs and Stratton motor wheel was unique for its time. Briggs and stratton motor wheel.JPG
     
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    The electric version used a Dodge Brothers 12 volt starter generator for a motor.
     
  24. banjeaux bob
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  25. Ned Ludd
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    I understand that several manufacturers made "buckboard cars" at the time. I am not aware of any other which used Briggs & Stratton's fifth wheel arrangement, though, but I'm not really all that familiar with the type. They never really captured my imagination. I haven't before now really considered the possibilities of the layout, nor the shortcomings regarding weight transfer etc.
     
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  26. 41 GMC K-18
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    From what I was told by the owner of the " Briggs and Stratton motor wheel " theses were primarily used by the children of wealthy family's that had big estates, so they had something to get around in and have fun. There is no suspension, the buckboard style frame is the only form of suspension.
     
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  27. Erik B
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    Good to see this thread is still alive.
     
  28. noboD
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    Auto Red Bug is the name I've been trying to remember, made about 1920 to 1925. They could be licensed for the road.
     
  29. fredvv44
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    I wonder if the starter/generator was used for regenerative braking??
     
  30. ROADSTER1927
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    They have no starter generator, they are magneto ignition. They were street legal and the lowest price car around. The engine lifts up for stopping and starting. there is a handle that sticks off of the rim to give it a spin for starting. Gary
     
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