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Technical The smallest physical dimension production V8?

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  1. 51504bat
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    Started out as a 2.6 in the Capri and then went to 2.8. Ford used them in Mustang II's and Rangers for a while IIRC. I was going to put one in an OT MGTD but never got around to it. Very narrow and compact.
     
  2. BamaMav
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    I knew it was a 2. Something, I was just off by .2, lol. You’re right, MII, Rangers, and Explorers all used them in various displacements. Tough little engines.
     
  3. 51504bat
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    Sold some parts off a core engine I had years ago to a guy in Canada. I guess there is somewhat of a following for these V-6's. He wanted a set of heads but all I had were CA heads from what he told me and not very desirable. OK, back to small V-8's not V-6's.
     
  4. greybeard360
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    No one has mentioned the AMC V8. It is narrower than a 221-302 Ford, shorter than a 265-400 SBC. They are 290-401 in the same package and make good smooth HP. The 304-360 are easy to find also.
     
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  5. Rusty O'Toole
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    From memory, Buick 215 = 320 lbs, Ford 289 = 450lbs, Chev 283 = 540 lbs, Dodge 318 = 580 lbs. Anyone know a smaller, lighter V8 than the Buick?
     
  6. Hnstray
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    That’s true, but not a shallow as it sounds. The Buick engines of that era V8 & V6, had deep skirt blocks.....the pan rail was well below the crank centerline.

    Ray
     
  7. ekimneirbo
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    Its actually very similar to what Chevy did on (Hamb unmentionable) its successor to the venerable smallblock.
     
  8. ekimneirbo
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    The Buick successor Rover has a pretty nice intake system that you can remove the cover from and run fuel injection stacks on an older Buick.......or keep it on the larger displacement Rover and put Buick valve covers on it.
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    Make a heck of a nice engine with powder coated and polished valve covers and headers. You can run just a carb on them too.
     
  9. KenC
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    Sorta like the ‘other’ y-block.
     
  10. pitman
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    ekimneirbo, that is gorgeous!
    300 lbs, 280 CU!
     
  11. ekimneirbo
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    Its probably closer to 320 lbs but there are things that can lighten it some like mini starter and lighter brackets and alternator. Was gonna put one in an airplane once upon a time.......
     
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  13. pitman
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    Helium blanket...in the oil pan!
    Thanks for the info.
     
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  14. bigaadams
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    just throw in any ole engine you want..it is the Flux Capacitor that makes it all work....
     
  15. I plugged the table that @1946caddy provided into a spreadsheet, then summed each engine's (length+width+height)

    The engine with the smallest cumulative dimension was... The SBC short water pump, at 76" total.

    The biggest: Ford SOHC 427 at 100":eek:
    The Buick/Olds 215 was 81"

    A few others:
    BBC long water pump: 92"
    Ford Flathead: 83"
    Buick 425: 90.5"

    Yeah- I'm a nerd and it's a slow day at work.:rolleyes:
     
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  16. Wilson V4... 196cu, 300hp. Installed in midgets and hotrods dscn0748_orig.jpg
     
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  17. Blue One
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    o_O Reading comprehension problems?

    The title of the thread specifies V8 engines and production engines.

    So you then decide to post a V4 that’s obviously 4 cylinders off and definitely not a production engine. :rolleyes:

    Way to go :D
     
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  18. Not production but has been installed in passenger cars. Wicked midget engine. Smooth & powerful. 68EC7392-6392-4CAD-A7B4-B1BF0ED7F108.jpeg
     
  19. Not really, but thanks for your concern. Good to see you're back on your meds. It happens to be half a production SBC that's been modified slightly. Some would say that motor has been hotrodded. I keep forgetting that the NEW HAMB is all about the restoring and restoration of old cars, with hotrodding and the creativity it inspires now occupying the proverbial backseat. Having read (and comprehended) the complete thread, I noticed the mention of V6's (clearly lacking 2 cylinders). Since the thread had swerved off topic a bit, a V4 seemed the next logical progression. Now really who, besides you that is, can really argue with some good old hotrod creativity.
     
  20. oldsman41
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    Is everyone forgetting the sunbeam tiger had a ford 260cu in it had room to spare
     
  21. This also has a v8 20191112_162549.jpg
     
  22. Couldn't find a picture on my phone with the hood open ,but both are flathead v8 60hp . No cutting of the frame or firewall .
     
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  23. seb fontana
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  24. You can get these as small as 5.5 oz.......
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  25. Mr48chev
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    I'd say That the little 215 Buick or Land Rover version V8 is going to be just about the smallest outside physical dimension V8 that you are going to come up with that is somewhat readily available.
    Flathead V8 60 engines are indeed very small physically.

    Some of the suggested engines may be small cubic inch displacement wise but are big physically and weigh a ton. The little 221 Ford is still the exact same size physically as a 302.
     
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  26. Blue One
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    :D Yes it veered off topic. And you helped with a 4 cylinder push :D
    Hot rod creativity is always good.
    Since you seem keen on meds perhaps it’s time for yours :D
     
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  27. BamaMav
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    Neat chart, you need to post it with all the production V8 engines you can think of. Show the dimensions, length, width, and height, with standard issue factory parts, I.E. short and long water pumps, carb intakes, could also throw in average weight if known. Give you something to do on a slow day at work!:D:D:D
     
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  28. grumpy65
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    Yes, a little bit of a tangent, but very cool nonetheless.
    Let's relax Blue One, you're turning red.
    Normal transmission resuming imminently...................................;)
     
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