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Technical Period correct way to add floorshift w/overdrive to a merc flathead?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by lasmith03, Jun 19, 2021.

  1. lasmith03
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    I know about the S10 trans mod or even the zephyr trans but its a column shift. Looking for a period correct way to do a floor shift w/overdrive. ?
     
  2. miker98038
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    Period correct would be a Ford/Merc transmission with the Borg Warner R-10 overdrive. Or a T-85/R-11 if you can find one and it fits. Fit a Hurst shifter to the side like we used to do if it’s a side shift.

    Various other modern transmission, including a T-5 can be done also. Ford built some 4 speeds with and o/d 4th gear, but someone who’s an expert will have to comment on those.
     
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  3. Mr48chev
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    Put a car T-5 in it with the shifter right at the seat, modify the T-5 shift handle by using the handle off an aftermarket 3 speed floor shifter on it and put any old looking shift knob that doesn't have a 5 speed shift pattern on it. That will get you to 1963 in my 51 Merc with a Sparkomatic floor shift in it. The car had overdrive.
     
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  4. The top loader OD is a great trans.
    The r10/11 will require a button to engage the solenoid.
    The t5 is easy if the shifter isn’t under the seat.
    Either one can BSC a period shifter and shift knob added.
     
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    Depending on which era you are addressing (8BA or earlier), the '84-'87 (T170?) Ford 3 speed plus overdrive is a popular transmission swap.

    There are a lot of threads here and on "The Ford Barn" about this.
     
  6. Original 3sp. w/overdrive and an aftermarket shifter... can't get anymore traditional than that.
     
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  7. blue 49
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    Years ago I fitted a side shifter to a Saginaw overdrive transmission. The overdrive solenoid is in the way of the shifter and linkage. I used a cheap, universal shifter with bolt-together brackets (maybe Foxcraft?) and sliced and diced until it fit. Once it fit and worked I welded all the bolted joints. It worked and took quite a bit of abuse.

    Gary
     
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    ive saved a couple these old truck shifters.
    You can heat and bend shorten do whatever with em
     
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    1948 and earlier would be a Columbia. After that the choices are endless.
     
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  11. Order up a Spark-o-Matic shifter from J.C. Whitney; and you are good to go.
     
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  12. RichFox
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    Back in the dark ages, several guys in the same shop class as me cut down their original column shifter linkage and mounted it to the floor boards as a floor shift linkage. Took a while for us to realize you needed to flop the arms on the trans or you had reverse pattern.
     
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    Which one?
     
  15. They look like ford top loader 4spds.
    70s f100s used em.
     
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  16. tubman
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    This ain't gonna work with out a lot of modifications. All currently available floor shift conversion kits are for non-OD transmissions ONLY. As alluded to earlier, the solenoid is in exactly the wrong place for the "regular" kit. I have an old Fenton shifter that was made for use with OD transmissions. If you are thinking of trying to convert a "regular" shifter for use with an OD transmission, I could send you a copy of the installation instructions and a few pictures. They will provide some guidance.
     
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  17. lasmith03
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    Which Fenton or Hurst should I look for?
     
  18. tubman
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    I'll check mine to see if it has a part or model number, but back in the day, they were clearly marked. They were hard to find then, and I'll bet they are even harder to find now. I wasn't seriously looking for one, but I was keeping my eyes open, and when a complete in NOS the box unit came up, I grabbed it.

    You can't find one on 1-800-build-a-rod.
     
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  20. tubman
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    That is a very nice installation. It also shows one thing I forgot to mention : No matter what you do, it probably won't fit under the trans tunnel which will require more special modifications.
     
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  21. lasmith03
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    A quick search on Ebay popped up Fenton 200, 300, and 500 models. I don't know the difference. Anyone?
     
  22. tubman
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    I checked the instructions from the NOS unit I have, and they say it is a Model 125. I have no idea what a number 200,300, or 500 are, but from I can see, I'll bet hey are for later model cars.

    Here's a guess : Model 100 was for a standard transmission and 125 was te model for the OD version. Pure conjecture.
     

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