Got a deal working on a car sale to a guy in another state. Guy wants pics of ***le and vin tag to verify all is kosher and he will have no issues getting a ***le in his state. What are potential drawbacks to this? Thanks.
Potential drawback to not doing it, is you don't sell the car to him. Maybe he can make a fake ***le with his name on it, then steal the car? I understand being wary, but he also needs to be wary. I've been asked, and went ahead and sent the info, no issues.
I would ask the same. He wants to run the VIN number to make sure the car has never been reported stolen, in all likelihood. That, and to make sure the ***le is in your name.
I agree, out of state sale.. I would ask same also.. ***le matches VIN. KEEP all email correspondences though. Freind just bought a 67 Pontiac chicken the ***le has issues from the vin. In this case it was typos from the DMV and can be fixed.
I think if it's down to the nitty gritty I'd send the info to him. I think its a reasonable ask. What isn't reasonable is some guy off of Craigslist asking to see a pic of the ***le or the vin number. Come see it. When you're here you can check all you want. I also research potential buyers if I can, to see who they are and if they are who they say they are. Google is great for that. I was selling an OT XR7 Cougar once...in all the emails I got..I found out one guy was in a Cougar club. Guess who came to see the car?
Have sold a couple of cars to some out of state police guys and even standing there with me - with the ***le in my name - with vin # matching - they still call it in. Just being cautious I guess and I did sell the cars both times.
I had to see a picture of the ***le before a sale because if it had no ***le, I would have not been able to have the car exported from the U.S. This means I own a car which I will have to try to store & sell on the other side of the planet. Not an easy task!
No cash in hand…..no ***le. Git off your **** come look at the car, both of you go to your local DMV and get it done.
Always ask for those 2. Copy of ***le and VIN as cant be there to look at it 1st hand. But I have a long list of guys I've done business with who will vouch for me.
there is a giant difference between a ***le and vin plate of a field car out of the system than there is of a running registered vehicle. people are ***uming a running car. this is not the 2022 Dodge Challenger club. could be all sorts of crazy things going on with the ***le of the car we know nothing about.
I'd say that he hit on one important point, Check out the buyer. If you don't come up with anything by doing a google search on his name find out what groups he is on and search those. Google your own Hamb screen name if you think you can't be found. A simple "what do you go by on the boards you are on" question lets you see if the guy is legit or not. No answer back and no string of posts on a board of FB and you may not want to send that info. The other thing is offer to let his contact come and look at the vehicle and check ***le against the tag. It's up to him to pay for the guys's gas and lunch. There is still an album on my photo bucket album with 56 photos I took for a guy back east who asked me to check a 67 Chevy 4x4 that he was interested in. Found out that the truck belonged to a guy I have known since I was 15 years old and his wife who I have known since I was about 18. I took the photos and he bought the truck but I don't remember if I saw the ***le.
His cash in my hand gets him the car and the ***le. He shows up, checks that the vin# matches the ***le, and the name on the ***le matches me. Transaction over. I ***ume he can read because he read the ad. If he can't, he better bring somebody he trusts who can.
I bought a car from the NJ area once. Had a friend go by and give it the once over. Verified that the car was at the address given and as represented in the photos. I, too, requested a picture of the vin tag and ***le. I wanted to make sure that the vin tag had not been molested. Wired him the money after a few more steps and it got loaded onto a transporter. If someone asks me for the same I have no issues with it.
Nothing wrong with providing proof that YOU actually own the vehicle - that the vehicle is what you are representing it to be to a prospective buyer that can’t view the vehicle in person. You are agreeing to sell a vehicle to someone who can’t view it in person - if you don’t want to accommodate the request then sell it to someone who will come out and kick the tires in person Jim
Scan your ***le into your computer and save the picture. Then open it with "Microsoft Paint" and use the Text box to identify what you are sending as a copy only and not for actual ***ling of vehicle. Below is an example. Just put the text where it doesn't hide the VIN.
I bought our Buick powered Morris woody from New Hampshire, a ***le optional state. I told them that I couldn’t register it in California without out one and seller was quite cooperative in getting one for me. I bought it, had it shipped and the ***le followed weeks later. I never saw the VIN or the ***le. My interaction with the seller was what gave me the confidence to proceed, and the fact that the sale originated from a HAMB listing by a solid member here. I guess the moral of the story is, do what you feel comfortable with. Talk to the buyer, look him up, let him know your concerns about making information available and if you still feel uneasy, don’t do it. Either he will pursue the sale on your terms or someone else will come along.
Bought a Model A in somewhat of an "estate" sale last year. Guy died and left about 6 or 7 desirable vehicles to his daughters. They could have cared less about them, all they could see was $$$$ signs. Made arrangements to meet them at the license bureau. I told the lady(?) that I had the money in my pocket and showed her the bank envelope. About $5K...... She wanted me to give it to her before we went in. I deferred and said I would rather wait till we got the paperwork out of the way. I told her that I had bought cars in the past only to find that there were problems that had to be solved, or back taxes that were owed. She didn't like that idea. She also didn't believe I had the money in the envelope, so I showed it to her. Still not good enough, I had to let her count it. She wasn't buying it, how could she trust me to give her the money once the ***le was changed? (She still had the car). Finally I said "Look, you are just gonna have to trust me a little or we can both just go back home." Once inside and doing the transaction........Lo and behold......there was a problem. Yep, can you believe there was a problem at the license bureau? Anyway, there were back taxes owed on the vehicle. She (they) protested and said they had paid them already. Finally they paid the taxes, and the paperwork was processed. As that was going on, I handed her the envelope. I understand that both buyer and seller have to be careful. Personally I like handing the money over at the license bureau and being sure everything is copacetic. While its important to the buyer, its equally important to the seller to know that the buyer actually got the ***le changed. I virtually never enter the license bureau without a feeling of apprehension. Got lots of other stories like that...........
That brings up a good point for a Buyer to consider …: In addition to asking for a bill of sale that states the vehicle is free of all liens and en***brances - the Seller should also state that the vehicle is free of all taxes and state penalties. In some states those charges follow the vehicle and have to be paid before the vehicle can be ***led by the Buyer. Jim
I thought,hah! my HAMB name is going be highly confusing to Google. So, I looked. Yep, it was confusing; there were 21 Google hits before my full HAMB profile showed up as a listing. guess you can't hide.
I agree with your premise Jim, but the truth is that no matter what someone writes or guarantees, it is impossible to collect or more trouble than its worth to try and get someone to pay after a sale. Taking them to court isn't going to work and probably more expensive than just ****ing it up and paying yourself. I did purchase a vehicle out of state once that had taxes owed. I told them I would keep part of the sale price until they produced/sent me a clear ***le, as it was too late in the day to go to the license bureau. Lady got possession of the truck in a divorce and needed him to sign the ***le. She agreed and sent me the ***le a week later. I then sent her the balance. It wasn't a good thing to do for either of us, but it did work.
When someone ask to see the ***tle , early in the negotiations, I take a picture of the ***tle , use my I-pad to mark out some numbers and my street address. Just enough info to give the potential buyer confidence that I have a ***tle to the vehicle. Later , it the negotiations progress and I develop some confidence in the buyer , I will provide the missing numbers, but still put Xs all over the picture of the ***tle , to make it more difficult to reproduce. Also in the past, for Oklahoma , buyers , I would insist on taking the vehicle to the DMV to get it transferred out of my name! But Oklahoma has changed laws recently. But, I always get a bill of sale , dated and signed. Bones
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