Technical SBC to Early Ford Pilot bushing question???

Do yall know if anyone makes a pilot bushing that goes from a SBC to Early Ford trans that has a roller bearing?

the ones Ive bought from speedway that are bronze/oilite (what ever they are) last less than 10k beofre they get loose on me.

would love to find one with a roller bearing in it.

any help is greatly appreciated!

thanks
Delton

 

This is the one I have currently.

 

What I’m looking for is something more like this one I have to put an olds motor in front of an early ford trans.

 

If you are wearing out pilot bushings, something else is wrong. They should last the life of the vehicle. I'm guessing you have some type of alignment problem.

 

Olds? I thought this was SBC question?

 

no I have a 3.25 gear which is great for freeway traveling but is problematic around town related to my pilot bearing.

also I daily drive my stuff. Your average hotrod may not 10k in 10 years. I see 10k in well under a year.

 

listen with the intent to understand, not reply.

 

Which intent, “have to” or had to?

 

You are a bad boy !!! You are still replying.

 

I say good luck with that Delton. When you finally decide and finding one.

 

Jesus this is what the hamb has devolved into..

if I was looking for smart ass commentary I’d try face book.

 

Have you even checked trans input shaft to the SBC yet? Old’s blocks are deep, not so with a SBC.

 

Chevy used bronze bushings for years without issue so I guess the question is why is this application wearing the bushing out faster than normal?
Measure the outside diameter and the inside then grab a bearing catalog start looking at the size OD sizes to see if one has the the ID and width you need, stacking 2 thin bearings may be a route to take if needed.

 

There seem to be a lot of confusion here.

I showed the picture of the olds pilot bearing as an example of what I’m looking for but for a sbc in that it’s an adaptor with a roller bearing in it.

the olds adaptor is just for illustration purposes only.
And yes olds motors have an extended bellhousing and are deeper, I get that but the sbc to early ford pilot bushing adaptor is not much smaller.

 

yeah I’m just going to have to make one.
It’s not just the bearing ID and OD it’s the length too.

 

Back to math then. Will there be any material enough left at the transition of said adapter so it will not fail?

 

If that's your idea of smart ass commentary, I'll remind you, you haven't even narrowed down what Olds engine your now working with? SBC was pretty simple.

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Remember what Henry Ford said... don't find fault find a remedy...well for clarity, if your the fault, what might be the remedy?
You to apologize, say you messed up, correct the mistake and constructively find that remedy. You need to understand, we are not to blame for your problem or going to take ownership of it.
And frankly, Jesus has nothing to with it. Not beaten enough with a stick maybe, but not Jesus. That my friend was smart ass commentary.

I've seen and read a few replies since I started typing this. Seems things are now making sense on what you want to accomplish.

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Well as I mentioned before, good luck with that.

 

Hi Delton ,

From the statement in your first post,,,,there is an issue with the longevity of the bushing .
Like someone suggested,,,,,,,if the oilite bronze is not lasting no longer than that,,,,,there is an alignment issue .

If it’s not an alignment issue,,,,is it a length issue,,,,,,,sounds like you are in the right track about making an adapter ,,,if that’s the case ?

Sorry man,,,,just trying to help,,,,,,without an adjustment of the runout with some offset dowels,,,,this will happen again and again .
I’m proud that it’s a daily driver,,,,,,great job on that ,,,,keep up the good work .

Tommy

 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply Tommy, to give you more insight it’s in a 32 5w with a 39 top loader, a stock k member and a banjo rear with a torque tube.

there’s not really anything to misalign and the trans is in a fixed location due to the k member so if it’s length it’s because the adaptor pilot bushing.
Which again is from speedway so it’s completely plausible that it’s garbage.[/QUOTE]

 

Delton ,
That sounds like a very nice ride,,,,with really good parts .
I would love to see some pics of that engine,,,,,an Olds engine makes a great hot rod .
I’m assuming it has some sort of adapter for the engine to transmission ?

Tommy

 

What in the hell are you talking about?

THE IS NO OLDS ENGINE NOEL

As stated now for the 3rd time, the picture was for reference of needing something similar to fit a sbc early ford application.

as for the rest of your comments I’ll just say that as a grown man of your age and a fellow hotrodder I’d expect you to handle yourself more appropriately.
Btw do you even own anything with a small block and an early ford trans or are you just trolling the hamb like it’s Facebook?

 

Based on how the one for the olds motor is made it steps up so I don’t think that will be much of an issue.

 

Just be sure to show us the adapter when done.

 

I’ve read about the need to index the bell housing and adapters with a dial indicator of some kind, could this be an issue? From what I recall though, it had to do with noise in higher gears. No direct experience.
One off the wall thought, what does the inner part of the bushing look like when it becomes loose? Ie is the even wear on one side, a cockeyed wear, etc.
My thought is if you are wearing out a bushing, a bearing style will not last any longer either.

 

I kind of agree that something must not be aligned properly or, like you said, the bushing is junk. Manufactures used bronze bushings for many many years before roller bearings came about.

 

Since every SBC (std. trans) from "55 to whenever had a bronze pilot bushing and I'm sure most never got replaced in the life of the car, I'm in the misalignment club (or some similar malady).

 

Del - Remember, you have a "variable" in the connection of the toploader and the engine - the adapter. If this alignment is off , i.e., the center of the input shaft and the sbc crankshaft isn't exact (or within the acceptable tolerance), the adapter may need to be centered to the crank.

vic

 

^^^^^^^^^Must check...

 

A ball bearing isn't going to work.
The measurements of the Speedway bushing are

• 1.093" O.D.
• .671" I.D.
• 1.45" long

 

that’s a fair point that I hadn’t thought of.

That said I also know that the input shaft isn’t long enough to completely engage on this set up too hence the length in the adaptor so I’m feeling suspect about that.

All that said ben shared that his Yblock in his car did the same thing and once he swapped it
For a roller bearing he hasn’t had any issues since. The belief is that the adaptor made from bronze has too much deflection in it and one made from steel would obviously have less. Makes sense in theory