I've spent hours googling and hambing to no avail. Need help identifying what I believe might be a Dodge/Plymouth front beam axle with hopes of sticking it in front of a t-bucket. The axle has .8145 x 5.25 kingpins that are 51.25 CTC. The kingpin bosses are 2.375 tall. Spindles are 5.5 long with .75 and 1.375 bearing diameters and a 1.875 seal diameter. Spindle flange bolt holes are 7/16 fine thread on a rectangular pattern 3.125 vertically by 2.50. Spring pads are 28 CTC with .50 bolt clearance holes on a rectangular pattern 2.25 x 2.50, springs were around 1.625. Hubs are 5 on 5.50 bolt circle. Appreciate any help ID'ing.
Yeah, speaking of that, would anyone happen to know weight of a typical stripped axle? Model T, aftermarket, anything I can compare this portly axle to?
Yes, I noticed that too, but it appears as though one side was never drilled. Or did it snap off and rust over?
You're correct, there are two bosses forged into each axle end, one per side. One set was drilled and tapped, the other set left alone. The untapped bosses are perhaps 1/2" longer, presumably for a different vehicle application/setup.
Couldn't sleep last night so I was scouring the internet once again for images. Found some Studebaker axles that had steering stop bosses like mine, but the spring pads are wrong. Also found IH axles with 28" CTC spring perches, but the axle ends were wrong. Maybe I'll make a floor lamp out of this thing...
The 5 on 5.5 wheel bolt pattern is a clue. Didn't Chrysler/Dodge use that around '30? Can you post pics of the hubs/brakes?
Yeah, the wheels that came on the axle look like 10 hole Dodge artillery wheels. I'll grab some pics after work. Anything specific on the brakes, or just some overalls? Thank you for the help.
I have two early axles, one Dodge and one Plymouth (both ‘early 30’s like 31/32) but both are not like yours on the spindle mount. Your axle end is like say a Ford and solid, mine are both an open square “C”. I’ll get a pic in a bit.
That was the axle in my ‘32 dodge PU, I picked up a ‘31 or ‘32 Plymouth axle because I wanted to use steel wheels, they are 5 on 5.5. But the Plymouth axle is the same construction as well.
Home from work, here's some pics. Let me know if you'd like different angles, close-ups, whatever. Thanks.
dont recognize the wheel but the axle looks like pre 65 ford pickup because of the spring perches - they were 5 on 5 1/2 - just a thought - Ja**
It's not a Ford pu axle of any year. How about a Willy's Jeep pickup or wagon? Some were built 2wd in the late 40's early 50's.....
AFAIK Jeep 2wd wagons, pickups and the Jeepster used the Planar front suspension from the mid-40’s to the early 1950’s. Planar is a transverse leaf spring on the bottom with upper control arms.
Wheel is dodge i think? 34? If it matches the one i just gave scott its 34...@dwollam should be able to id it if its dodge
Sorry, I added him, your “@“ wasn’t red, probably because of the dots in front of the @ name without a space.
From Nostalgia Sid's website.......... 1940-41 FORD TRUCK 3/4 TON OR 1 TON DROPPED AXLE ORIGINAL AXLE MEASUREMENTS 48 1/2" kingpin to kingpin (top) 29" Spring Perch center to center 2 3/8" tall kingpin boss 1 3/4" wide spring .8125 dia. kingpin 4" factory drop These work good on 1946-47 Ford pickups with 1940-41 front sheet metal. 1940-41 Truck axles are $350 plus shipping - to drop yours 1946-47 FORD PICKUP DROPPED AXLE ORIGINAL AXLE MEASUREMENTS 2 3/8" Kingpin Boss 50 3/4" Kingpin Center to Center 29" Spring Perch Center to Center 1 3/4" Wide Spring .8125 dia. Kingpin Part # 2IY-3010 No shock mount holes in axle. 1946-47 Pickup Dropped Axles are $360 plus shipping - to drop your axle or exchange And from Motortrend......... '42-'48 Known as "square" spindles, they have two advantages over earlier spindles: They have the longer kingpin bushing for less wear, and the steering arm is slightly lower for dropped axles. All brakes bolt on, including Lincoln drum and disc brake kits.
Thanks, twenty8 for the input. And Nostalgia Sid's website is a good resource. But the only matches are kingpin boss height and 4" drop. I might look into the Lincoln brakes, although I wonder if Motortrend is referring to the ford spindles with a square bolt hole pattern. Not sure. Thanks again.
Ever open up a can of worms? I pounded out the kingpin bushings so I could mic the bores. The bushings are stamped...wait for it... Nash C and were split to reduce diameter and make them work. The bores are .940/.942 and are in relatively good shape. I've found no information suggesting the rest of the ***embly is Nash, only the modified bushings. It's like I'm working on the illegitimate baby of a 1960's junkyard party. I can't find the HAMB link to reference it now, but I downloaded three scanned pages from an obsolete catalog showing kingpin diameters and lengths. It's very helpful. I noted a kingpin .917 in diameter with corresponding kit number, and considered reaming my bores to accept this pin since it seems I'll never find the .8145 pin I pounded out. But I can't find this .917 pin or kit thus far; not on ebay, vendors specializing in obsoletes, nowhere. Unfortunate, because everything except the kingpin is either reusable or easily sourced. Anyone know of either the elusive .8145 by 5-1/4 kingpin or something a little larger? Like within .015? I'd think I can go that much larger without thinning my bushing walls excessively. It's tough to track this stuff down without knowing what it's supposed to fit. Thanks for humoring me, everyone.
Well I'm stumped. I love a challenge, but IMO it would be much easier to find a more common axle to start with.
That's good advice. It's tough because I'm just a kingpin away. But yes, probably best to cut my losses. Thank you for your effort.
Yes, the article was about early Ford spindles. Here it is. https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/hrdp-1304-scroungers-guide-early-ford-spindles/
Interesting article, thanks. Unfortunately my spindles are rectangular, not square. Maybe time to look around for something more common.
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