Technical What kind of stupid did I do?

I've done some things I don't think I'd share... but thanks for sharing, I learned something!

 

Yep, thought so.......... That'll do it.

 

I did a similar thing, but my stupid was worse. Rebuilt a 9in with new bearings. Lubed the bearings with the last of the 85/90 or whatever I had. I recall thinking, heck, put the rear back in tonight, I’ll get more oil tomorrow and fill it. Got busy with other stuff.
Those bearings didn’t last long a few months later after I got the engine in
Heck, at least you had a quart!

 

Can't help you on the rear. But if the VIN they gave you is good, buy the stamps from Harbor Freight and make it so on the frame.

You've got the title sorted out now. Run with that.

- Tim

 

Twice now it seems. I have to ask, since you are willing to take the hit and the credit, did they or you finally add oil?
Was there none in before because???
Who...they or you were supposed to add it and didn't. Who added the quart. 3 quarts about fills it so a quart should be enough to know who added it.
Asking my opinion, a quart of oil would have kept it lubed up. I think something else packed in and it was not due to low oil.

And if it was a reputable shop, they should have given you a solid explanation and the parts back to confirm it, and you should be showing us.

 

Thanks but the problem is that the frame does have a number that matches the bill of sale NOT the number the VIN checker "Verified" and therein is the problem

Total fault on ME. You are correct that 3 quarts is the proper amount to add. I only added one quart despite the fact that I had 3 on my shelf for the job. I took a shortcut and it bit me. The shop showed and explained everything. I have no complaint with them.

I have the cooked pinion bearing and can post a photo later as I can't do that right now.
Thank you!

edit: photo of pinion bearing added

 

Well, I had to ask. Because as I mentioned, and will again, 1 quart of oil was added and that's a lot of lubrication.
How much is in this jar?


I ask, because I noted the distance you drove, and I had with a tow bar, rolled one that far with this in it as lube.

Now maybe we from you, you from them, are not getting the full story.

I'll give it to you. But reputable or not, stuff doesn't seize up which has room to move. The bearing should have at the least been greased. Think spinning wheel bearing. Sorry to say, they crushed it. That's my opinion. If I'm wrong tell me, please.



I further tow bar rolled this to reputable, or so I thought, and it was later deck truck skidded home calling it a mechanical defect.
Like a bad lifter.


Well, they can say what they want and will if it gets them out of paying for the damage and really, it cost too much to try recover and they know it.

But if you dig into it a bit you learn and discover stuff. Maybe you couldn't do it, I get that. Lucky I could. Or I would have paid further.


The bearing all spun. No shit. It was the axle shafts they arced repairing the mistake the made on the frame.


I want you to know. If they revive the post about worst things to come out of a shop, I think you're a member. And you are in good company.



As far as it goes, it rolls again, and I can live with the whine. Lesson learned. Reputable is subjective.

 

NoelC,
Maybe I was schmatzed by the shop. I guess not having the proper amount of lube made it easy for them to claim that as the issue? Could be.

I do much if the work on my projects myself but thought I’d be better off hiring out this piece of work.

Ignorance is expensive!

 

More than once I've been accused of being overly skeptical and suspicious of everything... Maybe it's a fault but on the other hand maybe it's an asset...

Are you sure that is "your" opinion bearing? Did you witness them take it apart? It looks like there is grease on the parts.. or is that an optical illusion? If that's even the small amount of Grease or fluid how could it possibly fail? Or is it completely dry which is just about the only way that could have failed. Even completely dry under the conditions you describe failure just doesn't make sense.

Even with only a quart surely the ring gear was submerged sufficiently to sling oil everywhere inside... And towing it with virtually zero load on it for a relatively short distance, causing it to fail is just beyond believability.

Admittedly I have never rebuilt a rear end center section but I have rebuilt a Jaguar IRS, and I do know that installing the hub bearings with the correct installation of a crush sleeve is critical.

Something is rotten in Denmark...

 

Maybe you were, maybe you weren't, schmatzed. But as I mentioned, it's the cost of admission into the club and we have plenty of company.
As I see it, if it keeps someone else from becoming a member, it's worth bringing up and talking about it.

 

Admittedly I replied without looking that word up. Screwed over, much more appropriate.

 

I just got to my computer, and zoomed in (on my 24" screen) your picture. THAT is definitely a well greased bearing. There is NO WAY that bearing failed due to "low lubrication". Either that is not "your" bearing, or they used the wrong bearing (causing some sort of "angular" binding), or it was improperly installed.. i.e., torqued down so tight that is would hardly rotate at all (if that's the way it's supposed to be installed - as I mentioned before, I've not ever installed a pinion bearing, but have in fact installed similar configurations).

Can you post a clear picture of the outside race? It's a bit out of focus on your first picture.

 

Interesting forensic discussion.
On a highway trip a couple years ago my transmission starting acting up in high gear, and eventually wouldn't stay in high at all. I checked the oil level and it was empty - only splashed oil was visible with a flashlight looking straight in.

I carried on about thirty miles to the next town and got a quart of lube, and added it in. Within a couple hundred yards the transmission began to work properly again, and has been fine since, works great with no noise.

So I agree that it's unlikely that running a differential with a quart of oil in it, for fifteen miles would cause significant damage. Especially since it was just coasting.

 

Interesting, I’ve never seen a rearend bearing that was greased. Other than axle bearings. I wonder what the thought was doing that?

 

Looking at this picture and having not seen the rest of the rear, I'm not so sure lack of lube was the primary problem. To me, the discoloration doesn't look dark enough to have welded anything together. The picture looks like the outer race was driven down over the cage. The twisted cage and brinelling on the inner race show the rollers were cocked at an angle. That may have caused the rollers to act like a sprag and lock the rear.

 

They say/call for a liberal coating of axle lubricant. Handling a greased bearing is bad enough, a dripping bearing is just simply a mess. Especially if you're not wearing rubber gloves. I don't see it as the problem but that's what I would be thinking. Well, cleaning them would yield a better view.



The 9-inch Ford Rearend is the Strongest Rearend Out There—It’s All Due to “Hypoid Distance” (motortrend.com)

 

I don't see grease. I see a bit of oil with grey stuff in it, presumably disintegrated steel.

 

My thoughts exactly....improper bearing preload. It'll getcha every time!

 

Were those Chinese Bearings?
NEVER use a Chinese roller or ball bearing!

 

I can't imagine getting the preload that tight to not notice. 1 qt of oil, fine for the distance, weight, speed. Maybe the bearing was soft?

 

I had the original DANA 44 in my 53 F100.. gear lube would run out of the worn out pinion seal about as fast as was put in. I ran that rear end for years with what ever lube was in there that didn't run out.. behind a big block FE... my money is on poor building in the first place.

 

Thank you for your help! Sorry I can’t follow up with additional pics as I am on the road.

Sounds like preload could have been wrong, the bearing was not installed properly/squarely/evenly.

I agree that the bearing was definitely “dirty” with grease but also admit it did not have the proper amount of liquid grease.

Not sure what to do/how to pursue with the shop as it has been repaired and they have been paid.

Feeling kinda like I was had to some degree.

 

Well, we'll drop it, you let it go, grieve the loss learn from the lesson. That's probably the best option all thing considered.
However, if you don't want that option and wish to hear to consider the second, best option, just say the word, and we'll go down the list.
My thoughts are, the second option was if you paid by visa, go back to buddy with these printed out and say in a nice way, you don't know what happened cause you're not an expert, but you will own 2/3 of it, because these guys are and they all figured you screwed the 1/3rd pooch and me so I'm going to file a claim. It might bring results that end up in your favor.
And if you paid cash, well, see option one.

 

I always though the recommended pre load on the 9 inch pinion was too much! All the 9 inches I built I barely got to the minimum resistance! Maybe too much preload and China bearing!






Bones

 

Maybe too much preload and a Canadian bearing? lol. I couldn't resist. While I was going to say USA, I looked, we do have a ball bearing industry. That's why it needs a washing down. The dirty in the details are yet to be exposed.
Maybe they didn't replace and just tightened down? I did not have those relations, I'm not a crook, I didn't inhale, I'm a sinner forgive me, and really, she looked 18.

If it is Canadian made, blame Trudeau. He has us cutting out carbon from everything.

 

For what it's worth, the Timken bearings in my '64 Ford were Canadian made.
Snap-on used to have a factory here as well.

 

HF does NOT sell stamps that match the typeface that this is supposed to have.

This is already skirting legality in the first place. Every VIN verifier at a DMV has access to the guide that shown where the number is, and what it is supposed to look like.

If it is off for an inspection again, your advice will result in an impounded car (and in this case does not even apply to his situation).

When I was still a verifier for the State of California, it was my duty to report these instances, and it is the same for everyone that does. If a defective verification is traced back (and the DMV very much does keep records), that verifier can face civil and/or criminal penalties.