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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by babblewon, Nov 20, 2022.

  1. babblewon
    Joined: Aug 19, 2007
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    Ok so it’s my first go round with a flathead. I just bought the car and was told the 1946 59A motor was converted to 12v, negative ground.

    It has a 12v battery, 12v powergen and attached photos of distributor/coil.

    The confusion started when I hooked up an electric tach and it would not work, shows no needle movement. I tried 2 tachs also…

    After tracing wires I found 12v ign power to the - side of the coil and + side of the coil goes to the capacitor. Is this correct? I thought it was the other way around and the tach signal was off the - side of the coil…

    thanks!
     

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  2. Flathead Dave
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    You said it's an electronic tach. Are you sure there aren't three wires?
    Was the coil upgraded to a 12v coil?
    I don't know of any of my friends who run a tach on their 59A so I can't ask them about it.
    Try to find a mechanical tach that runs from the distributor, cam or crank. This is what was used in flatheads back in the day.
     
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  3. babblewon
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    Tach wires? There are 4.
    Red to 12v power
    White lights power
    Green to - coil
    Black to ground

    I have good ground, 12v at red wire, 12v at green from coil. Tach light comes on with headlights.

    looks like a 12v coil. Car runs fine…
     
  4. G-son
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    Possibly someone forgot about the coil when going from positive to negative earth? I'd want to follow the + and - markings on the coil, unless I had a good reason not to.
     
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  5. babblewon
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    Right now the - coil is hooked to 12v ign power and + is down to the capacitor on the dizzy. Should I swap the wires on the coil? Everything else on the car (gauges, starter, generator, battery) is all 12v negative ground.
     
  6. j ripper
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    Negative on coil goes to distributor on a negative earth.
     
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  7. Flathead Freddie
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    Yes mechanical tach an electronic one changes the signal in the ignition system . I have yet to scope how it effects the signal but it's just all bad apples so my installs and everyone I know running stock factory ignition runs mechanical tach . Have fun it's neat stuff especially finding all components take your time as it comes is as it comes . I'm looking also and I believe in vintage parts !
     
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  8. babblewon
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    Swapped the wires on the coil, problem fixed! Runs great and tach works perfectly.
     
  9. G-son
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    And as a bonus, I believe you will have a slightly better spark too. The electrons have an easier time jumping from the hot center electrode to the colder ground electrode on the spark plug, not a huge difference but everything counts.
     
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  10. Flathead Dave
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    Very cool
     
  11. '29 Gizmo
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    You still need to check the coil. The polarity of the coil must be correct to the polarity of the car. It may run ok now but a DC spark has one side of the spark run hotter than the other so could give reliability issues with the points and plugs in the long term
     
  12. Budget36
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    Looks like it was originally hooked up wrong, OP corrected it based on @j ripper ’s reply.
     
  13. Budget36
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    You speak the truth, I converted my ‘42 Ford PU to 12v negative ground. Not really thinking about it when I installed the ballast resistor and another coil I had, I searched for “42 Ford PU ignition wiring” and promptly hooked it up backwards. It did have spark, but only jumped maybe an 1/8th to 3/16ths of an inch. Buddy came by and spotted it immediately.
     
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  14. Flathead Freddie
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    Great ! The old swap the wire trick ! Whew! Glad it worked out . It was good advice and on newer cars could have compromised other components and affected other systems
     

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