Not intending to hijack the thread, but is the input shaft on a T5 transmission that was behind a 2.5L 4 cylinder in an S-10 a different length or spline count than other (Camaro?) T5's? I have one under the bench for possible future use and it would be helpful to know now rather than waiting till something doesn't fit or work. Thanks......now back to the build! I'm enjoying following along. Lynn
that's exactly what I just finished doing. Yes, I will explain more and post some photos once I get it back together. back to work!
ok so, when you install a T5 from an s10 that was originally a 4 cylinder, there are a couple things you have to do. the first is to install a 1/4 spacer on the bellhousing, (I used a cut up aluminum sprint car motor plate) This makes the input shaft not bottom out in the crank. the second thing you have to do is remove the snout off the input shaft of the trans, and cut a bit off it. (I cut stuff off twice, so idk how much exactly.) Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM and last but not least, you have to grind the splines deeper into the input shaft of the trans, so it will allow the clutch room on the splines to move back and disengage. (this is the part I didnt do the first time.) I used a dremel with a stone and took it very slow, checking to see if it would fit frequently. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM oh and also mine was a 14 spline input shaft. which requires a different clutch than the standard sbc 10 spline. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM hopefully this helps someone else!
Dad came up and helped me pull the motor/trans out of the car, Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM then I pulled it all apart. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM and once I had done the above mentioned modifications to the input shaft, I reassembled it. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM and with some more help from dad, we got it stuck back in and tested. success! we have a working clutch now. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM I promptly rolled it outside and started on the driver side of the body. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:09 AM I also did some massaging on the grille shell, and painted my gas tank. slowly gaining speed. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 8, 2023 at 1:08 AM
That’ll work! Every time I see the body it’s got less rust all over it. Gettin closer In the future if we need splines extended we could probably use a mill. Though what you did does work and works better in a crunch. Just a note for future projects. I expect a video of it on jack stands running going threw the gears soon! Very excited about this
Isn't it because they are stored on his profile page in photos? I notice that if I ever go to post an old pic that I saved that way they show up like these. Anyway, I thought the same until I realized that my pics show up that way if I use one that I saved here 10 years ago in photos.
Yeah, looks like he is dumping them in an album first. Seems like an extra step? I dunno? Most just go straight from camera or computer file to post
well i'll be waiting for mill to show up at my door, along with all the tooling to cut splines, until then i'll do it this way. Mike coles did his wagon this way, and he had over 38000 miles with no problems. the key is to not make it sloppy, and not get into the existing splines. when the clutch is being engaged, it is squarely in the stock spline, the only reason I had to modify was to give room for the clutch to disengage. I post from my phone a lot of times, and my phone is a dinosaur. this works the easiest for me. back on track. I installed the gas tank, and lines tonight, after cutting the bottom and angling the outlet away from the center of the car. though I didn't get any pictures. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 9, 2023 at 8:02 AM got some primer on the grille shell, Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 9, 2023 at 8:02 AM and finished the welding on the body. I ground down the welds on the body, and seam sealed the firewall, and a couple other places. hopefully I can fog some paint in the next couple days. its not gonna be perfect, but it should look ok and not be too rough for Texas.
Looking good man! and yeah I know why you did it, and it’ll work just fine. I wasn’t meaning to discount that. I have at minimum 4 mills with tooling we can use in the future if you do come up with a project that needs it. That’s more of what I was saying. keep on truckin man you clooooooooose!
When I did the T5 swap in my first hot rod, I remember swapping in the input shaft from an Astro transmission, and I cut the end of it off about 1/4” too. I can’t remember if I had to mess with the splines at all but plan on looking through my pictures at home later. I’m not excited to see this car in a few weeks!!
more progress! We have purple! Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 10, 2023 at 7:10 AM Its just the grille shell, but the body is getting close! Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 10, 2023 at 7:10 AM Interior coated. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 10, 2023 at 7:10 AM firewall seam sealed, and coated in black, should be ready to tape off and paint the rest of the body tonight when I get home. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 10, 2023 at 7:10 AM We also went on a roadtrip! Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 10, 2023 at 7:10 AM It was only a 25 mile trip, but a good one. My dad called up the glass guy at 7:00 pm and asked him about glass (they've known each other forever) and he said if we brought it down, he would take it work today and have it back this Saturday! So Saturday i'll have some fresh blue/green laminated glass. I spent most of the rest of the night cleaning the shop. keep moving forward.
whew. that was a whirlwind weekend. To start I got a box from our own @J.Ukrop , that had a few 94's I bought from his recent sale, and he sent me a couple other goodies including a popular hot rodding magazine! needless to say it got me in the mood to do things. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM so I dug out my stencil of my flames, (made of scotch tape) Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM and trimmed it to fit. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM then taped stuff off. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM primer then paint! Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:54 AM and then late friday night I made the push, And dropped the body on. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM This start a whirlwind of work, @Austin kays came over on saturday, and we wound up cutting the cowl cause my clutch linkage didn't work, but by the time I had to leave we had gotten it working. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM I got a lot of little stuff done on the engine, ran the heater hoses, the main starter cable, remade the hard fuel line to incorporate the fuel pressure gauge, hooked up the coil, throttle linkage, and a bunch of other little stuff. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM I also made aproxamatly 34 trips to the store, and got most of the bolts and things I needed, so its now nylock-ed up. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM I also thought the curve I made in the pedals was compromising their design strength too much, so i installed a couple braces. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM I also moved the clutch pivot over to better align with the z bar. Then late last night we ran down to meet the glass guy, and viola! Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM It changes the look so much. I'm not 100% on the white posts, but I don't have time (or money) for chrome right now, which means its perfect. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM I also found the little mirror I had stuffed away, and mounted it to the post so I can actually see behind me. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 8:34 AM Hopefully this week it moves! Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 13, 2023 at 7:58 AM
Dude I love it with the white posts! I bet you will To with the headers on. I’m wondering if you couldn’t make a blister for the clutch linkage with a small mixing bowl or even nice shaped measuring cup? They are stainless so a little harder to stick a tab on it to mount but it’s an idea. getting close!
yeah the headers will help for sure. its gonna get a blister of some sort, I've been playing with beating little blisters in aluminum so maybe I can make one for this? But its not mission critical, so I cant worry about it yet.
Yeah aluminums pretty Easy to pound on. Just thinking of quick fixes. But like you said not a priority at the moment
Thanks guys. You shush. Last night was a couple hours of fiddly little work, drilling holes in the firewall for stuff, and connecting things in a more permanently, Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 14, 2023 at 7:38 AM stuck the dash in, after I had installed the pedals, and ran all the lines from the motor side. Everything is either connected or has a wire ran except the speedo, and the vacuum gauge (gotta drill another hole for a line). Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 14, 2023 at 7:38 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 14, 2023 at 7:38 AM Once I got it in there, I could start routing the wires to their respective places. it gets tight quick under a T dash! as you can see I'm using an old style rotary heater switch, mostly cause my NOS heater came with one, but since I didn't have a dash edge to tighten it onto, I instead drilled it out and bolted the top directly to the dash support bar. if the switch doesn't work I found Napa still sells them! on track for a mid/late week fireup.
Well, last night was interesting. It was nice outside and I decided to pull the car out, take a couple pictures and sweep the floor up, cause kneeling on metal shavings and stuff is no fun. so I rolled the car outside, put it in gear, and then went back in to sweep. then I heard a noise and saw my car rolling down the hill towards dads yard, and worse, his retaining wall. I went running after it, but was too late, it screeeched to a halt once the wheels went over the edge and it bottomed out on his retaining wall. so the car has a few more scratches now. I had my wife come down and drive the truck while I steered the car back up onto my driveway. unfortunately I didn't think to take a picture of it. but here's dads wall afterwards. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM there's about a 2 foot drop on the other side. So, once that FUN was over with, I decided I might as well grab a header and take pictures. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM then I rolled it back inside and got to work. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM I installed the steering column permanent after I painted it last night. I also got the wires from the dash routed down through the floor, and back to the under passenger seat area. I also hooked up the starter, alternator, and the power jack for the phone charger. I wanted to do a check on the systems, and it rolled right over when I flipped the key (with the coil wire removed). Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM I tested the rest of the dash, found out that I didn't check the bulbs in the gauges, I have 1 out of 4 that works. but in related news, I tested the heater switch and DID YOU KNOW THEY LIGHT UP? Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM Probably old news, but I thought it was cool. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM I've been working on my connections, making things cleaner, and this is my latest trick, the big yellow type connectors are too big for 3/16 heat shrink, even when you take the plastic cover off. so I used a piece of 1/4, but it doesn't seal to the wires well. so I put a 2nd shorter piece of 3/16 shrink to seal it to the wire. should keep the elements out well. dunno why I took a picture of the one that had wire poking out of it. Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM I've also been tinkering with the intake, I didn't want my water temp sender wire to just hang out, so I used a piece of 1/8 rod and a bit of heat shrink to keep it straight and contained. Brakes and test fire today, drive tomorrow? Just A Big Model T by BigJoeArt posted Mar 15, 2023 at 7:50 AM
Wow...sounds like my kind of adventures watching the car head toward jumping off a wall. Good thing it sits so low to be able to high center on the wall and it didn’t turn out much worse.
So you’re telling me you want wheel chocks for your birthday? that 100% sucks but on the upside you know shits not gonna fall off and you got the first scratches out of the way. on the downside your pants need laundered…. I like that sending unit brace/cover. I have some stamped valve covers that have little clips/hooks on the intake side to route wires in. I wonder if I could maybe some bolt on ones. A little triangle shaped washer with the point turned over on the valve cover bolts could work. anyhow looks good! Eagerly awaiting the video! oh, and can you measure for me and see if that was indeed 5 yards before it scared you? Lol
Yikes! Glad the scare wasn't any worse and it didn't go over! Stinks it's go scratches on it already though before you even got to drive it....warm up for the scratches it will get over speed bumps I guess. LOL
haha oh I'm on scratches 15-20ish now. I also leaked a little at the master cylinder so my first lifting paint is over too. I'm not at home right now but my calibrated eyeball says it was 4.67 yards Whoot! Ahead of expectations!
The previous trucking company I was at had a rule that when your feet hit the ground, the chocks go down. This came about after somebody got out of a truck in the yard and didn't set the brakes properly, or they failed, I forget. The truck rolled downhill across the lot and ran over the Owner of the companies BRAND NEW Tahoe.
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