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Projects '30 A Tudor Sedan build

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Greenblade, Mar 23, 2023.

  1. Greenblade
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    I've been wanting another project car for awhile now that my Rambler is on the road. I've been checking online listing, talking to guy in my car club, and driving down backroads looking for something that catches my eye. The other day I was helping my Grandpop with some stuff at his shop and I asked him about the 1930 Ford Sedan he's had sitting along the fence side for years (probably sitting there for longer than I've been alive if I had to guess) He wouldn't give me a price, instead saying I could consider it mine. So I guess I have a 1930 sedan project, which has got me excited. However there won't be much progress on this project for awhile since I'm starting welding school in a few days, that with a full time job won't give me much time to work on anything. (Plus school cost me a good chunk of $$$)
    Still won't stop me from planning!
    1. Need a title
    2. The fenders on this sedan are toast, so I'm on the lookout for better fenders, I did consider going fenderless but I think sedans look weird without em. Want to run a full closed hood as well I think.
    3. I'm aware of a few sbc engines sitting around on a local property and I've talked to the guy who owns em about taking a closer look and possibly getting one of em, not sure. There's also a gmc 371 my dad has, maybe I can save up some $$$ and get that. Not sure
    4. I'm going to want to put in a 9" ford rear end this time. My Rambler has an 8" and getting gear sets for that has proven to be rather annoying.
    5. Definitely want to chop it a bit. Edit: no i dont. I kind of want it to stay looking as it does now, just freshened up a bit.
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  2. Lloyd's paint & glass
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    If you was closer I'd give you a set of 29 sedan fenders! Love the project, I used to be a model A nut :D
     
  3. sodakmini
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    Very cool. I will see if I have much to donate
     
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  4. Greenblade
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    Thanks for the kind words! I didn't know 29s would fit, this is my first real experience with this old stuff, despite growing up around it. Is there any other years besides 29 and 30 thatd fit?
     
  5. Greenblade
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    Thanks Ryan!
     
  6. goldmountain
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    Good to see someone who wants to keep the fenders. Check out Carter's Auto Restyling and see some truly wasted fenders that he manages to save.
     
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  7. '28/'29 aren't a direct bolt on.... there is a difference in splash aprons that has to be worked around, but IMHO the '28/'29 are a better looking fender and worth the effort.
     
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  8. I like your plans! DEFINITELY get the title paperwork going... since you're getting it from your Grandpop he can be a big help to you with documentation. That will be enough of a project while you are going to welding school (glad to hear you are doing that and good luck to you).Fenders are a must IMHO!
     
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  9. Greenblade
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    Good to know, I'll keep and eye out
     
  10. Greenblade
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    I've started working towards getting a title, just need to grab the vin off the frame. Definitely want fenders on a sedan.
     
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  11. brady1929
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  12. Nice start, it's amazing that it looks that good even though it's been sitting outside, around here it'd be a paper thin rusted out hulk.
     
  13. Greenblade
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    Does anybody know if there were any vins or serial numbers or something stamped on 30s? Other than engine, which I don't have. I need something of the sort for a title
     
  14. hemihotrod66
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    Get a title for it.....That should be your primary goal..... Don't invest any money till you have done that.....
     
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  15. Greenblade
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    I'm trying but without some sort of vehicle Id number, I'm out of luck
     
  16. caprockfabshop
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    You're probably going to have to get an assigned VIN: https://sdlegislature.gov/Rules/Administrative/21999

    Luckily SD is one of the easier DMVs to work with.
     
  17. redo32
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    The Model A serial number is stamped on the frame top rail under the body. Best to remove the body.
     
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  18. The VIN is stamped on top of the frame rail about in line with the drivers side "A" pillar. You have to lift the body off the frame to see it. They have a tendency to rust over and it may be hard to read. Carefully wire brush the area and you can normally bring the numbers out.
     
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  19. Atwater Mike
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    VIN also under the rear portion, on top of the rail (driver side) right in front of the rear cross member.
     
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  20. Greenblade
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    More pics. When it's warmer I'll get the body off. While that's off I might as well box the frame and figure out drivetrain stuff. 20230326_113519.jpg 20230326_113524.jpg 20230326_113530.jpg 20230326_113556.jpg 20230326_113633.jpg 20230326_113738.jpg 20230326_113755.jpg 20230326_113819.jpg 20230326_113933.jpg 20230326_113854.jpg STICK THE FLAME IN THE KING'S EAR
     
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  21. 2Blue2
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    Score!
     
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  22. Greenblade
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    With the weather being so shitty lately and welding school taking up my free time, I haven't been able to get back to the A, but I spend a lot of time looking at the pictures I took. The more I look at em, the more I like the look of the patina and patchwork, I'm thinking it'd be a great candidate for a dirt track style racer. Just a thought.

    Anybody got any good advice on how to safely remove a body from frame by oneself? I was thinking of making a frame out of 4by4s and old rear ends to let the body roll around while the original frame gets boxed and I wrap my head around how to do suspension and drivetrain on something like this(I'm an idiot btw)
     
  23. Greenblade
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    I've been on the hunt for a small block to shove in this thing and my Dad offered up the 327 we used for mock up in my Rambler, however the block is cracked, so I'd need to get a new block for it. Now I'm not an engine knowledgeable guy by any means but I have been told something along the lines of short journal/ long journal block are different. I dont know what journal I do have and how to tell the difference so I'm looking for some hamb help.
    My dad @rusty rocket might be able to give more info on it, I believe there's some aftermarket lifters or something of the sort.

    Here's the pics I've got: 20230410_181820.jpg 20230410_182011.jpg 20230410_181952.jpg 1208201740.jpg 1208201756a.jpg 1208201816.jpg 20210105_160641.jpg 20210112_182323.jpg
     
  24. Kevin Ardinger
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    Good looking project for sure!! Check out Ricky Bobby’s hot rods and maybe you won’t need to look for fenders. I got hooked!
     
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  25. lumpy 63
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    1967 and older sbc s are small journal 68 up are large journal. It refers to the diameter of the crank journals. Cool project:cool:
     
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  26. lumpy 63
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    Yours appears to be a 68 69 327 lg journal . kinda rare. you can use a 350 block to fix it.
     
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  27. Greenblade
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    I didn't know a 350 block would work with 327 guts, I thought the innards were different?
    But if I were to look for a 350 block I may as well get one of the few 350s I have my eye on.
    Don't know what would be more cost efficient
     
  28. Tim
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    @Greenblade 350 block + 327 crank = 327

    it’s the same crank journal size as your 327 crank and the same bore.
     
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  29. lumpy 63
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    I'm thinking you can find a 350 block pretty darn cheap. Your 327 has double hump heads which is a plus and in the end you will have gained engine building experience:cool:
     
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  30. Greenblade
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    Ok so I'll look out for a 350 block, but what should I look out for specifically to make sure it's a 350 that's compatible with the 327? I assume not all blocks are the same. Visuals would help me immensely.
    Thanks, B
     

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