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  1. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    A few more pictures today. The crossmember to support the radiator is fabricated and tacked into place. Good clearance Clarence to the nose and the steering. Nothing else will be near it. And as I just took a muscle relaxant, I'm going to skip the diatribe and just post the pictures.
    DSCN1769.JPG DSCN1768.JPG 20230613_192553.jpg 20230613_192404.jpg 20230613_192200.jpg
    You get the idea. More tomorrow...
     
  2. ratrodrodder
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    A few steps forward, a step or two back, and pretty soon you're dancing!
     
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  3. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Maybe more this weekend, fighting back issues AGAIN!
     
  4. Good progress!
     
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  5. You hang in there pal! It is coming along quite nice.
     
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  6. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    So a little bracket racket on the Whatever project today. CAD besign of the brackets is done, just have to cut it out and drill some holes. Pictures later...
     
  7. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Okay so I didn't make it out to the garage until today, as the back was behaving today. The 1st attempt at the bracketry didn't make the cut, so with 1 little cut on 2 of the parts I had cut out, and viola! I have the nose support hoop attached to the frame! Here's 3 pictures in whatever order they came off the camera's chip.
    DSCN1774.JPG DSCN1773.JPG DSCN1772.JPG Those who have back issues can appreciate that even the smallest of projects getting done is a big deal.

    The nose will attach to the hoop and the angle bracket lower right side of the last picture. And the radiator will attach to the hoop also, so the complete assembly will be tied together, making for a pretty solid setup.
     
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  8. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    So I have a question for everyone: I need to affix the nose to the support hoop. I've been considering flathead screws thru the flange on the nose where the hood and side panels will be, but I'm concerned about the screws pulling thru the fiberglass. The two could be permanently affixed to each other, but I don't know what adhesive or bonding agent to use. How about some recommendations?
     
  9. Flatrod17
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    Dave, I put the fuzzy side of velco on the nose and firewall to protect the paint. The nose is hold on with 8-32 screws cut into the fuzzy stuff. Probably 12 or 14 or so of them. I will get a couple pictures when I get back down in the shop.
     
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  10. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Thanks. Interesting idea.
     
  11. Flatrod17
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    pic's as promised.



    6-24-23.jpg

    6-24-23-1.jpg

    The original was hold on with twice as many screws, but I didn't see a need for that many, plus I have to remove the nose if I have any trouble with my surge tank. The screws are a counter sink type.
     
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  12. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Nice! Is your nose fiberglass or metal, as in you hammered out the nose? Which will make me envious... but that's certainly a good look. And did you have to countersink for the screws under the velcro? Or does the velcro take up the taper?

    Curious minds need to know...
     
  13. Flatrod17
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    Its a glass nose. I can only wish I could hammer anything close that I wouldn't have to throw away! They are counter sunk in the glass and the Velcro was over the top of the screws. I didn't want to try to peal off the velcro (takes the paint with it) if I wanted to take the nose off, so made a tool to cut the velcro at each hole, so they are buried in the velcro and don't scratch the side panels paint.
     
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  14. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Thanks! Sounds like I have a plan...
     
  15. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Bought a bunch of Velcro and small socket head flathead screws to give the attachment of the nose to the support hoop as suggested a try. I'll get pictures and report back later...
     
  16. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Progress, thanks to flatrod17 and his pictures! I think that the pictures speak for themselves, so here they are:
    DSCN1780.JPG
    Taking the fuzzy side of 2 inch wide Velcro, I wrapped it around the hood recess and wrapped it over the edge, sticking it on both sides of the nose. It leaves a good space for the hood and side panels when I get them made.
    20230628_174112.jpg

    I only have 3 screws thru the flange and support hoop right now, so the nose is still slightly deformed in a couple of spots. The areas will pull down to the hoop on final assembly. And burying the screws in the Velcro really works great.

    20230628_174200.jpg It will also finish off the edge of the nose nicely.

    Now of course I will have to remove the Velcro before painting is on, and I'm not looking forward to either. Good thing about white. Believe it or not, it cleans up easily. And touching it up only requires a rattle can of refrigerator white, or fleet white.

    So small victory today, but it was a victory!

    ps: it also looks like a good way to cushion the front nose support.
     
  17. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    nice
    What are you going to use for grille?
     
  18. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Good question. I started on the grill shape a while back, made the opening in the nose larger and more uniform in shape. All I had to make the shape so far was quarter inch welding rod. But it was easy to get the shape matched.

    If I had any talent with shaping sheetmetal, I'd add a few more pieces of the welding rod to act as a wire form, and beat the dickens out of a suitable sheet of sheetmetal. And then cut most of it away for the opening.

    Given that I've read about it, seen videos of it, and marvelled at you guys who have done it, I have assumed a Clint Eastwood attitude, "... a man's got to know his own limitations...".

    I'm open to suggestions and offers to make one however! Well I can dream...
     
  19. Flatrod17
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    Dave, Good Job mounting the nose!! It looks like you have nuts on the back of the screws? Mine is tapped (threaded) right into the band. Will you be able to get to those nuts when the radiator is in place?
     
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  20. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Yes to both. There's sufficient room for the nuts to clear the radiator, and the nose goes on after the radiator is bolted down.

    Humorously, ftf asked me about a grille. And wouldn't you know, I woke up around 2 am this morning, and ruminated and cogitated for 3 or so hours on how I could make a grille. I've sort of figured out that I first have to make some kind of template.

    So I'm going to first lay out some blue painter's tape and draw something that looks like a grille. And if it looks okay, see if I can figure out how to shape metal to look like it. I'm looking forward to wasting a lot of tape...
     
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  21. ratrodrodder
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    If Enzo's employees could create such beautiful curving forms using tree stumps and hammers, I'm sure you can get a decent looking grille with enough practice :p.
     
  22. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Being of half Italian heritage, you'd think that it would be in the blood. That or stone mason! I got neither!
     
  23. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    So I woke up around 3 am this morning, and was ruminating over the nose and its need of a grille. And my mind wandered back to the calculus classes. I know, kind of a nonsequiter. How does one invoke concepts of the other?

    You know those contour gages, with the row of pins that you press against a curved surface, infinite series taken in a small segment, some of the underlying mathematics of calculus. The idea that if you keep making the steps smaller in width, that it will start to get closer to the smooth continuous curve. Take this to the limit, and you get the curve of the nose.

    Okay you say, so what's this got to do with the grille? Well, isn't that what I'm after? A smooth surface in 3 dimensions that matches the shape of the nose? And that gave me some ideas of how I can attempt to make the grille.

    Multiple small pieces shaped as close to the shape of the segment of the nose that I'm trying to fit it to, and connected to the pieces on either side of it. And if I make it from stainless steel, and silver braze it, well it'll polish up good enough for me. Or not...

    Hey, I'm just spitballing here...
     
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    As an old friend once told me, "you can make it as complicated as you want".
     
  25. GearheadsQCE
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    You need a stump and a mallet. Then watch this:



    Karl Fisher from 'Make it Kustom'

    Lots of good YouTube videos out there, but I like this guy
     
  26. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Very good video! I made my anvil "stump" in a similar fashion. DSCN1262.JPG The anvil is the neighbor's, the "stump" is 12 chunks of 4x4 he had in his shorts pile. He's a former contractor, nothing gets thrown out. We get along fine...

    It's held together with leftover looong lag screws from another project. I think I'll be making another one from his leftover bits and give that a try. I even have a leftover piece of high density nylon 1 inch thick.

    And yes, being an engineer by training, I always think the most difficult ways to do things first! It's good that you guys comment and bring me back to earth.

    Thanks for the link
     
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