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Customs Finally starting on the wife’s 56

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by anthony myrick, Jan 5, 2019.

  1. Johnny Gee
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    What if you place the window to the back?
     
  2. It’ll probably unhappy with the line up notch
     
  3. Moriarity
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    56’s didn’t use rams horn manifolds, 57 was the first year for them. Remember the front dump manifold you put on your mercury? That is a 55-56 manifold
     
  4. Johnny Gee
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    Repeat after me. These are called… 93555548-447A-4EB3-8547-A3C481228D5D.jpeg
    However see where things are before doing.
     
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  5. Yep.
    Thought about those.
    The merc is gonna cruise a 283.
    The wagon might get something larger like a 327 or 350(gasp) the double hump heads on this mock up are fresh. New guides, valves, springs and exhaust seats. Just been sitting on a shelf for a few years. Would make better sense to use em.
    I’d like to run the vette style manifolds.
    Don’t think it’d be a problem. Got more room now than the merc had. Scooting over 1/4-3/8 wouldn’t take much
     
  6. I getcha
    not running this in the 56

    But if I round up couple more 2jets, I might run this in my merc. I was wondering what distributor/cap was used to clear the intake and carb.
     
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  7. Moriarity
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    55 56 distributor, no window, no hold down screws, or a flat cap vintage mallory dual point distributor265.jpg
     
  8. Yep. Tight.
    Even when you plug the vacuum
    IMG_3038.jpeg
    I’ve got a small cap MSD I was planning to use with the merc. Doesn’t have the window in the cap. Does have the screws
    But I might ask my local tri 5 parts guy if he has a dizzy. He says he has a locked up 265 with an oil pan if I need it.
     
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  9. Moriarity
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    MSD ? Yuk. Here’s some pictures of the Astorian. It has 3 twos and a 57 corvette dual point distributor with no window. I can’t get my finger between the carb and the distributor,
    2FAFC18C-5410-482B-8E1C-10EAFD25BEF6.jpeg BDE48247-0014-4351-929C-DD093913FB28.jpeg AB83466F-6C52-43B7-ACB1-AC6B1B4E1E25.jpeg
     
  10. Yep.
    It’s my only new part:):) well, it was on the bus.
    Just missed an early 60s vette distributor.
    My uncle had a Mallory dual point but we haven’t located it yet.
    I’ll keep a look out. The MSD is on the kids truck. It will stay there if I find something else
     
  11. Atwater Mike
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    I was gifted 3 283s and 1 265. The changes in the first 3-5 years were surprising. (I thought all SBCs were the same!)
    Not that gullible but did learn a few things. My mechanic profession was mainly Porsches, but there were hot rods at home. Flathead types.
    I do have a large SBC parts collection now, as I've picked up available 'deals', intakes, heads, exhaust headers, rams horns, and all just to do ONE 283 for a backup engine for my '27 roadster and my '27 T Touring. So 2. Or more. :D
     
  12. partssaloon
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    I have a 265 single point dist. in the classifieds right now but it is yours if you need it!
     
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  13. Porsche guy?
    Lol. Same here. Spent around 14 years fixing them and other European rides. Loved em.
    I never messed with SBCs growing up. Unless it was a friends.
    Ive installed em in other peoples rides. But this is my 4th personal SBC install since 2017. I’m a little late to the game
    Waiting on a 283 to get out of machine shop jail now that’s going in my merc.
     
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  14. Cool beans.
    We’ll check that out

    thanks
     
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  15. Moriarity
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    I know that the 265 distributors have a flat spot on the rings in the casting to allow oil to get to the valve train. I know the 265's need this but what I don't know is if that flat spot causes any problems with oiling if they are used in a 283 or 327. anyone know????
     
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  16. Johnny Gee
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    No it won’t. Just need to clock distributor shaft correctly so oil will make the crossing. 265’s suffered the same fate if not done correctly.

    Just be sure flat spot is as parallel to the passenger bank of the block as possible after timing is set.
     
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  17. Johnny Gee
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    But this oiling hole is of concern. Plug it, later blocks had full time oiling to the lifters where 265’s did not. Leaving it open will flood housing then keep points lobe well lubed and beyond. D6B78C44-52EC-4030-9D9C-E1862B605A74.jpeg
     
  18. wheeldog57
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    Neat project sir! Will you have room for a crank pulley, dampener looks close to X member, hopefully just the angle of the picture.
    Find that Mallory, that's what I run on the Chevy too
     
  19. Was just talking about that.
    I’ve got room for an 8 inch dampener.
    But it will be close on pulleys.
    But if it clears it clears.
     
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  20. Los_Control
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    @anthony myrick any tips on holding off the wife from getting her car in the front line?

    I've been holding my wife back for awhile .... She is getting anxious.
     
  21. BS BS BS all ya can

    I did build a truck for our youngest and help him with a 51 Willy’s

    so that did help
     
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  22. SS327
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    How is the Willys going?
     
  23. Slow. Kid works sunup till sundown lately.
     
  24. ekimneirbo
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    Anthony, first let me say after scanning thru this thread that I'm impressed with your work ethic and metal working skills. :)

    Then I got to the stuff about engine choice. Thats where I became confused about what you are trying to accomplish. Seem to be putting a lot of effort into trying to make the engine look "somewhat" original or period correct. It kinda seems like no matter what you choose, there are going to be plenty of little things that will immediately tell the "experts" that its not an original 265, and those (like me) that don't know (or care) about all the esoteric little details won't notice most of it anyway. Things like motor mount bosses cast into the block or the block having an oil filter would immediately tell even a neophyte like me that it isn't a 265.
    So I don't understand putting too much effort into that stuff unless someone is actually going to build a virtually undetectable clone or a real 265.

    The 56 wagon is not a lightweight. Additionally its going to need power to drive an air conditioner, and probably power steering along with a cooling fan along with a generator/alternator and water pump. All that while pushing a 3400 lb car with probably at least two occupants. Will a 283 do that on the expressway in overdrive at 70/80 mph and 2200 rpms? Not meaning to be critical here, just realistic about building a car that you and your wife will enjoy when actually driving it rather than discussing details at a show.

    I'd use the overdrive and put at least a 327 in it but probably a 350, and then put an original or period correct intake manifold and breather on it. :D
     
  25. Original ish.
    The distributor/intake conversation really concerns my merc. It a period style build.
    The wagon requires squinting under the hood. I’ll probably go with a 350. Use script covers, a 60s era intake and hopefully a 56 air cleaner (or close)
    The AC, PS, PB…..well, it is what it is.
    The wife requested these upgrades but wants a vintage look.
    Her vintage definition.
    But I’m slowly getting her to dig a very mild custom. :)
     
  26. BamaMav
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    AC is almost a necessity for us old guys down here. Anthony and his wife aren’t quite as old as I am, but I figure his wife will want it, I know mine does!
     
  27. Johnny Gee
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    I’m “confused” how it ever translated into looking original.
     
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  28. Moriarity
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    I think this may be partially my fault. In response to his fuel pump hitting the crossmember picture I said "56's had fuel pumps with the fittings out the side not the bottom". And in response to his saying the rams horns were close to the steering sector I said "56's did not have rams horns, they had front dump manifolds", and again with the distributor not originally having a "window" to interfere with the carb.
    I never was advocating for him to build it stock looking, only trying to point out why things did not seem to fit, especially when he was wondering if he had the motor mounts positioned correctly...
     
  29. Johnny Gee
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    Not your fault. Just suggestion of parts that were engineered to fit and clear properly just as they were intended then, and still to this day.
     
  30. Im glad it was mentioned.
    Answered some questions before I had to ask em for the Mercury.
    Wonder if I have room for the earlier fuel pump on the merc now
     

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