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Technical Flathead Water Mystery

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by 33Doll, Dec 31, 2023.

  1. 33Doll
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    IMG_1583.jpeg IMG_1585.jpeg So lately, I’ve been noticing this weird Brown sticky stuff, I’m wondering if there’s a crack in the exhaust bolt hole., or maybe what I was thinking hopefully??? it’s just water dripping down along the head and blowing out on the exhaust port where it
    Might leak a little? maybe cooking the antifreeze???
    I sure hope it’s something simple like retorquing the heads!
     
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  2. I don't want to say this but directly above where that brown smut is accumulating looks like a crack or a rusted spot on the block. I hope not ... but
     
  3. alchemy
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    I can see it too.
     
  4. Or, it could be leaking from the rear of the head gasket, running down and forward then being blown up by a leaky exhaust. ?????????
     
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  5. alanp561
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    If you blow the picture up and look above what appears to be a crack, there appear to be streaks in the block that look like someone ground a weld on that area. Then, looking toward the right side of the picture, it appears as though someone has run weld passes on there. There appears to be a weld bead just above and to the right of the header flange. Has this block been repaired? Maybe that's a stress crack from welding. cygxn6md.png
     
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  6. 33Doll
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    IMG_1592.jpeg IMG_1593.jpeg IMG_1594.jpeg IMG_1595.jpeg IMG_1597.jpeg IMG_1598.jpeg IMG_1599.jpeg I think I might get lucky!?????
    Looks like it’s leaking at the top where the bolt is, so maybe this heads have never been re- torqued, I know the car that it came out of didn’t drive that much or at all. It was a rebuilt 35 Ford roadster. The guy wanted a more modern chassis. My dad bought the whole chassis cheap. The motor was rebuilt, but I don’t think it was ever driven.
    It has 22 pounds of vacuum and 50 pounds of oil pressure at medium RPM so I know it’s good!!! 150-190 Temp.
    And wiped off the muck, think the coolant just collected their and has a tiny Exhaust leak cooking it???
     
  7. Coolant is leaking down from the head to the header flange and you have a small exhaust leak, but it seems you have already figured that out.
     
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  8. Fortunateson
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    I see some discolouration just above where most of the muck is just below the head. Perhaps it’s leaking from there and pooling by the header possibly after you had it out for a run. Does it get wet while driving or after you’ve put it to bed?

    Edit: I just looked at the pic again and there seems to be some staining near the corner of the head so this indicates to me a fairly simple re-torque situation! I sure hope so....
     
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  9. 33Doll
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    Man! I sure Hope so!!!
    4 years working on this, the Wife has had enough. Funds is Cut!!!
     
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  10. gimpyshotrods
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    Retorque and K-Seal.

    Don't panic.
     
  11. 33Doll
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    That stuff has great reviews!
    Just Leary of that “magic potion” kind of stuff, but… it is 21st century.
    Maybe? Ok?
     
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  12. Black Panther
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    If you blow up the pictures and look closely it does appear like the coolant was blown upwards by an exhaust leak at the top rear of the exhaust port....hopefully that's it!
     
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  13. banjorear
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    The K Seal or good old fashion liquid glass (sodium silicate) should do the trick.
     
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  14. Jmountainjr
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    What are you running in the radiator that would make it brown? But I guess brown is better that gray slime from water in the oil!
     
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  15. 33Doll
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    Well, I torqued a few of the bolts randomly just to check. Some were
    Loose at 50 pounds.
    So this morning when it was cold, I torqued the side that was leaking to 60 pounds, drove it to work, no water leaks, then let it sit all day and re-torque both heads to 65 then 70 lbs. before I left for home. A whole bunch of bolts on both heads were probably between 50 and 60 especially around the back of the block around cylinder 4, and 8. The book says to torque iron heads between 65 and 70 so I did,
    no leaks so far!!! Think that did the trick!
    I think I’m gonna wait on the K-seal
    Don’t want gunk in there that doesn’t need to be! However, there is tiny bits of seepage here, and there behind the water pumps between the block. I tried sealing it up, when I had them off. To replace the gaskets. I think it’s just cause it’s kind of pitted on the block a bit, so at some point I might put a little bit of that sealer in there, but it’s not leaking on the ground or anything. Just moist. Maybe later on when I upgrade to the six vein later curved impeller pumps I will use some JB Weld or something on the pits.
    Boy, the Heads sure plain and boring without those nice little stainless acorns my dad put on there!! But it sure is a pain to get all those off without damaging them!!!
    I put electrical tape on some channel locks to not chew them up!
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  16. 33Doll
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    33Doll

    Cooked yellow antifreeze.
     
  17. banjorear
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    If running water, it could be a mixture of rust, block gunk & water.
     
  18. wheeltramp brian
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    That k-seal works wonders.
     
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  19. flatjack
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    I have NEVER torqued head bolts over 50 lb ft. What book says 65 - 70?
     
  20. I've typically seen the torque specs for cast-iron heads to be somewhere between 60 and 70 lbs.
     
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  21. 33Doll
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    33Doll

    IMG_1688.jpeg IMG_1600.jpeg
     
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