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Hot Rods 57 FORD Build #2... Glutton for Punishment.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jeff Norwell, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. 1957 was a banner year for Ford, but also just about all the manufacturers. I'm a Ford guy, yes, heck, I moderate a '57 Ford forum, but in fairness, I wish somebody would do a sales comparison between Ford Motor Company and General Motors. I don't want to be branded a traitor, but I can imagine the parent company overall numbers:
    Ford Motor Co. had Ford, Mercury and Lincoln, but GM had Chevy, Cadilac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac
     
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  2. i found this a while back
     
  3. pwschuh
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    This is a blessing in disguise. There was probably an internal flaw that weakened the casting. Better to find out now than when you are on the road.
     
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  4. RmK57
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    I’ve had the same thing happen on a 170 Ford 6. The thermostat sits in a recess in the housing , the problem is it can slide down a hair when you go to install it on the intake. It doesn’t take much to crack a 60 year old brittle aluminum casting.
     
  5. Jeff Norwell
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    Agreed guys.. agreed
     
  6. 57JoeFoMoPar
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    I just did the math for you.

    All of Ford Motor Company's sales totaled 2,004,797, which includes Ford, Mercury, Lincoln, and I even added in Continental. General Motors sales for just Chevrolet, Buick and Oldsmobile easily topped that, at 2,295,386. If you add in Pontiac and Cadillac, total sales are 2,776,268, or over 3/4 of a million cars above what FMC sold that year.
     
  7. Gm really was nearly a monopoly...
     
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  8. Jeff Norwell
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    Well.. that issue is now solved.....
    I checked the PN# on the early housing.... early 65.
    After 58 years of service.. I can't complain
    hahaha

    anyhow... next step is now to fire the car.


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  9. you use shellac for thermostat sealant too?
     
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  10. Jeff Norwell
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    Yes. Love it for gasket work... provides a real nice seal in conjunction with Gaskets....


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  11. ive heard its also a threadlocker
     
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  12. Your doing it all wrong Jeff, you are not supposed to solve problems in the garage, it’s supposed to happen on the road miles from home!
     
  13. What's the time frame for 1st start?
     
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  15. Jeff Norwell
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    The Best stuff!
     
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    Hopefully Bill in 7-14 days.. when time permits.
    just doing a pre check to make sure all is tight, right and fluid levels are correct.
    Fingers are crossed as this is a mystery engine.
     
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  17. If you would do a leak down before you fill all the fluids in, you would have insight into the condition of the engine. That would alleviate some of the concerns about whether there was a surprise or not. :)
     
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    Old wise Mechanic taught me Indianhead a piece of sewing thread layed into wet sealer the shape of the gasket and a Flathead will have no leaks
     
  19. warbird1
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    Silk thread and sealant, pretty standard for sealing the case halves of inline opposed aircraft engines.
     
  20. Jeff Norwell
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    Well... good and bad news..... not that bad. just small road blocks.
    All was set to fire....
    Power was keyed... and the starter solenoid relay took a dive.Not a big deal...... Using a jump wire.. the engine rolled over fine...
    Then discovered the timing was out 180. Easy.. pull the distributor, back 180, find number one at TDC and back together.
    Did a bit of fuel coaxing,.... and boom... she fired right up!..... the throttle linkage was needed to be adjusted,.... did that.... and then back to the key.
    again . she fired right up.... My pal Terry.... immediately gave me the kill signal..... fuel was pissing out the from the Fuel pump, the Ford Filter at both ends and the connection at the carb.
    stopped all,. inspected the mess.... and realized the flares on the hard lines from the pump, between the ford trash can filter and to the carb.. were poor.
    completely my fault and a lesson learned about them Ni-copp easy bend lines.
    Great stuff for brakes ... not so for 3/8's fuels lines....
    Terry prefers steel lines and now so do I .
    The material is just to soft to get a good flare on large diameter lines.I can't say this is gospel. but this is my feeling.I did the brake lines on both cars.. and got great flares and seals.... but to go big lines and tricky bends.... its a frustrating job(for me anyhow)

    So. the day ended..... Terry left and took the fuel lines back to his shop and used them as templates.... he made up perfect lines.... proper flares and so much more strength.
    All this in a bad blizzard this past weekend with the temps at -24 windchill.

    So.... everything is back together except one steel fuel line.... hopefully we should attempt again. and see what happens.
    I can say(which makes me happy) it when the engine did fire... it had a strong 45 psi at start up.... no misfires.... no strange noises... and no bad blue smoke or danger signs.
    This FE is a complete mystery engine .... so.. In that respect.. it has given me hope.
    And if it does Crap the bed and is something that needs an overhaul ...I have a fresh 390 that I know the history on.
    This is a game of Snakes and ladders.

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  21. Looks great, moving forward is always good!
     
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  22. I'm a little surprised that you had trouble with the nicop. I have 5/16" on my current project with no problems. Having the end cut square and lined up evenly in the flaring tool does seem to be more important as size increases. But, with that said, we all have days when nothing goes well no matter how much exp. we have. It was your day. Once again, Terry is on the job. A very good, useful friend. I'm sure your mind is way better about the project now. :) I'm freezing also. -8 this morning. I drove the 48 to coffee, lots of strange noises at ever bump. :)
     
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  23. Jeff Norwell
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    Yes Bill.I am surprised as well.
    we did a test of sorts... cut a small section.. flared it..... attached it to pump and tightened.
    undid it and inspected the flare..... when sealed it crushed the nicopp material kinda sideways.... So Terry... mentioned he did not want to mess with this stuff anymore and he would make some steel lines(which he did.)
    I kinda felt a little better... knowing that I was not becoming a total idiot on flaring this stuff.
    who knows,... maybe the role of tubing was inferior?.... maybe?
    At any rate .. when he made a test line... it looked great... after tightening into the line and removing... the flare kinda rolled sideways and would not seal.
    I really don't have any other explanation Bill.
     
  24. it took me several attempts to get a 5/16 fuel line to have a decent flare for fuel, even now i need to tighten it tighter than i want it to be.

    cant wait to hear about you running it out!
     
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    Good thing to find fuel leaks before you get into driving that thing!
     
  26. pwschuh
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    Any test firing that results in big fuel leaks but no fire is a win. Count your blessings and press on. Everything that doesn't work right is (eventually) a lesson learned. Can't wait to see video of first drive.
     
  27. RmK57
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    The worst thing with a Ford is the connection from the pump to carb or in your case the filter. The fuel line has to snake around the distributor then make a hard 90 into the fuel line. I never did like the that setup.
     
  28. Jeff Norwell
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    You are so right!
    It's an absolute PIA. But.. I've started down this road and I will finish it....
     
  29. corncobcoupe
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    Quityourbichinandfixit…..:D
     
  30. Jeff Norwell
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    Hahahahahah.. yes sir!
     

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