Technical You must be the reason I can't buy good paint stripper anymore!!!

Thank,Jim. I am assuming you are still alive because you practiced proper safety measures. MC is nasty stuff. And, of course, like most things, it's the folks who use it improperly who twisted it for the rest.

 

Being that most everything is affected by politics , that makes it pretty difficult to look at the "whole" of anything now doesn't it ?
However I do know " what you mean"

 

Lloyd, I guess we will never get back to the "good" old days. Picking up on your comment about not spraying isocyinates without a respirator. I hope it's a good air supplied one. Back in the '70s I worked in a large truck fleet shop and we had an in house body shop. Painting is one skill I have not yet mastered, but back then I spent a lot of time with the two body guys away from work as we were all into hotrod and race cars. At the time Imron and Centari were the new rage and were routinely sprayed with just a cartridge respirator and not much else. It's not necessarily a direct connection, but by the '90s they both passed away from cancer in their mid- fifties. So hope you find a suitable paint remover, but make sure to take good care of yourself using it.

 

Don't forget , all these nasty chemicals , including the dust from sanding them can affect manner of your internal organs , heart liver thyroid pancreas are all at risk ! ( Someone who knows)

 

It's the same with everything on the shelves in my shop. Between the body shop and all these years as a fireman, I expect to be told I have cancer anytime. Doesn't stop me from doing my thing

 

I voted for you for president, how about that shit??? they didn't call me today and I didn't call them, shop was buzzing with people in and out and I had to put a jeep top on. I'll do better tmrw

 

So newer scientifically improved paint+modern safety for all paint stripper=more Jack Daniels consumption. Hope we’re all sitting down in the shop.

 

Just do it carefully.

 

I bought some at the hardware store, went to use it and it was water.They said it happens often. they refill the cans and return them for a refund.

 

I am the same way Brother!

There are risks in every aspect of life & as grown men we are well capable of deciding how we deal with those risks! I do however understand that the folks that always want to warn us are doing it out of genuine concern.

God Bless
Bill
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/

 

At 67, I view the risks of life differently then I did at 20. Some call it becoming wise, some call it overcoming the stupidity of youth. The reality is that now the risky things I did when I was young take longer to heal and it hurts more. I call it the "Don't want to do that again." plan.

When I compare the things I don't do now against the things I did do during those younger days, I realize my younger days sure would have been boring living under the current rules I live by now. Had I not done some of those things back then, maybe I would be in better health now, but then again, maybe not. We assume those changes would have made a difference because someone has told us so.

So, the question is, how much stuff should be restricted now under the assumption it would lead to a better life when we get old? Maybe saving everyone from being stupid is causing us more grief then its helping? The stupid ones are also reproducing, creating more stupid people.

Maybe I just need to go back to bed and start the day over....

 

Yeah, Mother Nature used to take care or take out the stupid ones….now they’re celebrated and we’re told to be more like them!
Here, hold my beer…..

 

Old age has reduced me to "Hold my diet Pepsi"
Russ

 

Diet Pepsi is a serious health risk! If you're going to die, might was well be beer,

1. You may experience tooth erosion or discoloration
"The acidity in certain types of diet soda can lead to tooth erosion," according to Keith Wolfe, D.M.D., a dentist based in Greenacres, Florida. He explained that, over time, tooth erosion can result in pain and sensitivity.

In addition to bathing your mouth in an acidic environment, some varieties of diet soda contain coloring that may stain teeth. "Over time, drinking excessive amounts of diet soda made with caramel coloring may result in teeth turning yellow," explained Jack Hirschfeld, D.D.S., a clinical instructor at the Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine's School of Dental Medicine. "The combination of the acidic environment the soda creates along with the food dye can increase a person's chances of experiencing tooth discoloration," he added.

2. You may lose weight

According to data published in JAMA Network Open, swapping out sugar-sweetened beverages for drinks made with sugar alternatives, such as diet soda, is associated with reduced body weight, body mass index (BMI), percentage of body fat and liver fat levels, specifically among people with overweight or obesity and those who are at risk for developing diabetes.

Other data showed that, among people who are overweight or have obesity, drinking 24 ounces of diet soda every day for one year resulted in an average weight loss of almost 14 pounds. That was compared to another group who drank the same amount of water every day for a year and only experienced an average of 5.5 pounds of weight loss.

Some research suggests that artificially sweetened drinks are associated with a greater risk of obesity. More studies are needed before we can have a definitive recommendation.

3. You may have increased risk for heart disease
Whether regular or diet, research suggests that making soda sipping a habit is associated with an increased risk for cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabetes (a condition that increases your risk of heart disease as well) and death from any cause, according to a systematic review and meta-analysis in the journal Nutrients. It's possible that the sweet taste but zero calories from the drink degrades insulin function over time, perhaps contributing to poor metabolic health. Though the authors say that more high-quality evidence is needed on diet drinks to reach firm conclusions, they advise limiting both sugar-sweetened and diet versions for your best health.

4. You may have trouble sleeping
If you opt for diet soda that contains caffeine, you may have trouble getting some much-needed shut-eye at night, especially if you are enjoying it close to bedtime.

One can of Diet Coke contains 46 milligrams of caffeine. That's less than a cup of coffee, but everyone has a different sensitivity to caffeine, and if you are having trouble sleeping at night, you may want to evaluate how much caffeine you're consuming during the day and at what times. The good news is that there are some caffeine-free diet soda options that you can sip on without experiencing this effect.

5. You may have weaker bones
While diet soda is void of calories and sugar, certain varieties can contain phosphorus in the form of phosphoric acid. This mineral can play a positive role in bone health, assuming that another key bone-health supporting nutrient, calcium, is consumed in adequate amounts. But, consuming copious amounts of phosphorus (which can happen if you overdo it on the soda) can negatively affect the calcium/phosphorus ratio in your body, ultimately increasing the risk of experiencing decreased bone mineral density. Opting for caffeinated sodas may worsen your bone health even further, thanks to this stimulant's negative effect on bone health.

If you are concerned about your phosphoric acid intake, choose clear diet soda instead of classic colas, as clear versions are not typically made with this mineral compound.

 

Back to the paint stripper, keep us informed Lloyd if you come up with something. I am open to give anything a try as long as I don't need a hazmat suit to read the label on it. The crap ass hardware store stuff cost 35.00 a quart around here so a hundred dollars or so a gal for something that actually works would be a steal. I would wonder about shipping and possible hazmat rules on use for a business though, I prefer coke over diet Pepsi. but just a splash in a class of Jack. lol Larry

 

In my youth I worked in a chemical factory. We had a cut down drum filled with methylene chloride and Caustic soda that we cleaned tools in. It worked really good on wheels too. methylene Chloride for the paint, and Caustic soda for the rust. Most of the people that I worked with made it to 80, even the dumb ones.

 

Celebrated and ELECTED!!!!

 

I'm in the body shop business, products that are intended for that business should not be available to the guy that doesn't paint cars. Sorry, but that's how it is. I don't swim with sharks because I'm not a marine biologist. From what I recall, an idiot bought my beloved paint stripper and used it to strip the floors in his house, and was killed by asphyxiation. Now, as a professional, I suffer everyday because of this freak. I pick up dead people quite often at my other job, but they still make the cars and drugs that killed them.

 

A friend of mine back in high school stripped his Challenger with a razor blade. Took him several evenings but he peeled it down to the bare metal

 

Someone should count the number of complaint threads about the changes to, or outright banning of industrial chemicals and the number of threads about cancer on this board.

I find the philosophy that some old men here have that the old days were better, and that they are not concerned about risk in their advancing years profoundly disturbing.

Water, soil, structures, and all living beings that have to exist long after you are gone should be a concern to all, irrespective of age.

Even if only half-heartedly joking, the notion of allowing less careful or less informed people to be killed off by knowingly or unknowingly taking risks is borderline sociopathic behavior.

You should probably stop.

 

I don't get what you're saying, my whole life revolves around functioning in an idlh atmosphere, and I have training and safety equipment to allow me to survive. My point is, an amateur took a valuable tool from those that knew how to use it safely and properly. Thoughts on that?

 

No sir they called me back while I was on a fire run and I haven't called them back. It'll be this week. They don't sell to the general public. They wanted my EIN and Ky sales tax number, I have to set up a commercial account. I didn't have my info with me while I was on duty.

 

Present evidence that even the "professionals" who used these chemicals "safely and properly" actually did, on a grand scale.

I grew up on the edge of an EPA Brownfield site, where all the wells are capped due to groundwater contamination.

In 1989 the factory containing those chemicals was destroyed by an unsolved arson fire (thought to be to hide evidence), turning it into a EPA Superfund site. It took until just a few years ago to fully clean up that site.

Surrounding that area there is a massive cancer-custer among the residents.

Where I live now, the number of businesses structures that have to be completely torn down, and have the soil underneath fully remediated is staggering.

Examples of these exist in every metropolitan area, in every state in the US. That is a reason that these chemicals are restricted or banned.

It is not the individual user that did this. It was the industrial users. The EPA does not look at data sets in a granular enough fashion to account for individuals.

I don't doubt that you make every effort. You may be among the few that actually did, and do.

 

Yeah I take the shit serious, partly from my fire service training, but mostly from seeing a couple of local paint legends destroyed from the old school ways of doing things. An accumulative effect from years of being invincible i suppose, but seeing it first hand showed me that you don't want to breathe any of this shit, if it was good for you, they'd put it in bottles and give it to babies. Another mark for the guys that complain about how much it cost to get paint work done.

 

I searched and found that methylene chloride was banned from being sold to the general public because ...




https://www.epa.gov/assessing-and-m...-rule-regulation-methylene-chloride-paint-and


And they're planning on banning most uses due to health and environmental concerns:




https://cen.acs.org/policy/chemical-regulation/EPA-proposes-ban-uses-methylene/101/web/2023/04

 

I miss spraying Imron. Beautiful finish and super easy to apply. Didn't like how I felt afterwards though. It had methyl isocyanates. That crap would mess you up. Never tried to strip a finish coat of that stuff. The older acrylics would blister with aircraft stripper but even that is tamed down today. Curious to see Lloyd's review of the new stuff. Seems cheap compared to shop labor hours.

 

The EPA has long past the point for which it was it was developed to do. Many of its recent decisions have very little factual base and carry no concern for costs and the repercussions that are associated with implementing those decisions. Any that disagree should start a conversation with me and we can discuss it without locking this thread.

I will be interested in hearing how the "new" stuff works for Lloyd, and I wonder how long its going to be available to the "people in the industry." Maybe he needs to buy a 20 year supply of it.