Hot Rods The "Whatever" project

I've been looking and have not found a basics video that makes me feel I have a basic understanding. HUGE topic to cover and lots of talk. I'd suggest going on and typing questions, find someone who has many videos that YOU like and go from there. Expect to watch at least 5-10 videos for a good overview.

 

Santa's been here today! Look what I found on the front porch.

Hot Rod porn! This shifter looks very well made, and bolted on, with the supplied bolts, with no fettling! How many times have any of us purchased parts and then spent serious time getting it to fit? Hanlon Motorsports in Pennsylvania. And it's made by them! Under $200!

Here it is bolted down to the transmission. It looks too good for the mangy grimy transmission. It won't need much of a lever to get the knob right where I want it. That's for another day...

 

Don't forget to adjust the shifter over travel stops before it gets all closed in.

 

Remind me again in about 20 posts...hey I'm not a spring chicken any more. It's going to be taken off again for cleaning of the case. Like suggested, I've got to seal it up so nothing gets inside. Oh well...

 

Dave could you blast it with walnut shells if you get it sealed up?

 

You know, that's not a bad idea! An interesting aspect of walnut shell blast media is in its used state, it turns to mush in oil. It might not do damage if it gets inside.

Baking soda might work also. And it dissolves in water, not that I want water inside of the transmission...

So first I'll take your suggestion to seal it up, then decide on the cleaning regimen. But that's down the road a way. I'm thinking first finish up on the installation, then front end, and then hopefully take it all apart for some serious welding time. There's still a lot of little things that need to be done...

 

Dave, I have 25 lbs of shells in the shop if you need them and Bruce has a blaster that we all use up at his shop. Bring it over if you wish.

 

Thanks Walt. I might take you up on the offer later this year. I've also got a question for you and Bruce. How many small flange Rochester 2 barrels do either of you have? I've got the 1 on the 283, and have been thinking about 3-2s on it. Only need 2 more...

 

I used to build these back in the day, and you need about 6 to match up 3. Pay attention to venturi size, venturi/booster type, baseplate/throttle shaft width, and fuel inlet type. Those are the main things that you wanna look out for. GM made about 2 billion iterations of the small base 2 jet….

 

Thanks. Got pictures? I know about the inlets. Side inlets. You know the sad thing is, way back in around 1972-1973 a friend gave me a Pontiac GTO 3-2 setup, complete from a 389 that he wrecked. Also the transmission. It was an M 22. The transmission was used in one of the modifieds, the intake setup just collected dust in my mom's garage until she sold the estate in 1983. It was put in the junk pile and buried behind the barn!

Who knew?

 

I don’t have the best pictures - I’ll try to hunt for some tomorrow. For the venturi size and cluster type, those are evident after you take off the air horn. Visually, the clusters are different and take a different gasket, and the venturi size will be cast into the body between the two venturi.

 

Dave, I have no 2G's in the house. Bruce has none that I am aware of.

 

Thanks Walt. Figured I'd ask. Asking others as well. I'm in no hurry, the 327 isn't ready, and the 283 is fine for right now. Maybe I should set the Hilborns up with the gasoline nozzles...

 

Hilborn's would be my choice! But I have to say I have had an intake cast for one of my carbs..... but I still have 2 1/4 throttle bores!
Good on you for that shifter as well. I need one of those for my brother's car.

 

You know, either Tim or myself would be more than happy to give that engine a home in a T.

I am very impressed with that shifter. It has an alloy lower body, and the upper body is steel. Those travel limiting screws are in the steel part. The centering springs are stiff, but not overly stiff or restrictive. I'm working on the shape of the lever I'm going to make or, if lucky, will be able to purchase. I'm betting on the former however. I'm going to have to get creative with the shifter boot. Unless I build a tunnel over the transmission, it will need to attach to the shifter base. I got some ideas...

But then again I've always got ideas!

 

They make many bolt up old flat Hurst type lever for that new type of shifter.

A few samples when you get time

https://www.google.com/search?q=T-5...Gfv5LQ&oq=T-5+hurst+style+shifter+lever&udm=2

 

I've got a trio of Rochesters sitting in a box in the basement, waiting for rebuilds... What version(s) are you looking for, and how would I tell? I might even have a rebuild kit or 3 hiding away too.

 

Bolt pattern. But I don't know the dimensions to check out. Help??? I'll text you tonight or tomorrow night

 

You wanna find the small base, side hung fuel inlet Rochester 2 Jets. Even within those two parameters, more importantly is that the venturi size and venturi clusters are the same. You can kinda tell by shining a flashlight down the air horn what you're getting, depending on how clean they are. The venturi size is cast in between the two venturi, right below the choke butterfly. You can sorta see venturi cluster type through there as well, but again, even at that, the location of the air bleeds, the gasket type, the booster type etc.... GM made a billion different iterations.

 

Thanks Tim.

 

If what I saw down below the choke plate is what Tim is talking about, I can just make out "16598" on one of the tubes in each of the 3 carbs. My ruler isn't in decimals, but I'd estimate the 1.87 called out below is consistent with what I've got. I didn't check the other dimensions, but they're only 1 flight of stairs away.

 

The Venturi size will be cast right where the red circle is. It will say “1 5/32” or something like that

 

Aha! Thanks for the visual. Back down to the basement parts depot I go...

 

The results are in! All three carbs are 1-3/32" venturis.

 

Sounds like we got a winner! Thanks for following up with the carburetors. We'll talk later.

 

I see Larry Fulton is cutting back and getting ready to retire. He has a bunch of stuff on his site. I have used some of his parts over the years fwiw.
Larry Fulton, Author at Hot Rod Carburetors: Rochester Carburetor Service (hotrodcarbs.com)

 

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Thanks to Heathen, I have 3-1/4 2G Rochesters now with a 4th one in a friend's garage waiting for me to get there and pick it up. Sadly, I'm a slacker lately and I haven't even opened up the box yet! So 3 and a quarter you say, incredulously. How can that be?

Well, he had 2 complete carburetors, and spare top cover, all side inlet. So with the 1 on the 283, and the extra cover, I have 3 so far. Well, after I procure baseplate kit to convert 2 to end carbs. I'll get the box open tomorrow d take some pictures of the stuff and post it. And order some more parts... hopefully with the 4 total carburetors available for conversion, I'll be able to make a set up. Like Tim said above, I might need to find more to make 3 matching carburetors. And ratrodder has 3 which we'll have to see if they are already a matched set. I see a bit of fettling in our futures...

 

Really tremendous build and write up! I was wondering if you had more pics and info on the Watts link and the mount you made. I'm struggling with finding just the right way to mount a Watts on my Frankland. Was that a piece of channel iron you used to mount it with the case bolts? ( i have no idea which page has the pic that i thought i saw, lol)
any info on where you got that Watts?

thanks,
-rick

 

Here is what you want. This one is from Coleman, very pricey. You can make one. It's not rocket surgery



Another, found on eBay. Not quite as slick, but I'm sure it would work just fine.

Could not post the pics, but here is the link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1330808722...diOGyzeDMwWVC-VjcUXHYfvML_mTJ7uBoCBHAQAvD_BwE