Register now to get rid of these ads!

Technical Protecting patina

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by indomwe, Jun 15, 2024.

  1. Mmmmm
    That car is dang near perfect
     
  2. Okie Pete
    Joined: Oct 29, 2008
    Posts: 5,597

    Okie Pete
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    Some say it’s laziness not to repaint a car . I myself have found if I take anything for paint it probably won’t get back on the road . My 57 Fairlane I’ve noticed people are comfortable around it . We lean against it while we visit . I’m careful not to drag things across it to damage what paint is on the car . A shiny paint car isn’t enjoyable. Life happens this is my opinion. My SIL has been waiting a year and a half on his 66 Mustang to get out of the paint shop . Around here there isn’t many shops that will touch a full paint car .
     
    Driver50x, Squablow, WC145 and 2 others like this.
  3. Lazy is just a term used by folks that don’t understand or dig it. Helps em feel better.
     
  4. Lone Star Mopar
    Joined: Nov 2, 2005
    Posts: 4,063

    Lone Star Mopar
    Member

    Or folks that are upset our "rusty" ol cars that get more attention than thier high dollar paint job. I love nice painted cars too. I dig all flavors of this thing we do... Except those baby doll head, smoke stacked up, saw blades welded all over shot rods we dont talk about here.
     
  5. My laziness for today
    IMG_9983.jpeg
     
  6. Sharpone
    Joined: Jul 25, 2022
    Posts: 1,701

    Sharpone
    Member

    IMG_2453.jpeg
    Do as you want, personally I like it all from rusty to concourse grade paint jobs, preserving the patina is a good idea if you’re not going paint soon or ever. In my neck of the woods we get dew or frost about 80 percent or the time excluding rain and snow, surface rust -patina- will become a Swiss cheese looking patina in a short time. A friend uses industrial floor wax on his patina stuff looks good to me and keeps the rust at bay.
     
  7. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
    Posts: 10,415

    jnaki

    upload_2024-6-25_3-56-22.png

    Patina is associated with trying to make something age gracefully, so to speak. A nice black primer paint job back in the 50s-60s was the lowest cost available paint that most associated with old cars. But, if one slightly buffs up the primer paint, now in 2024, it is called an “Ice” paint application costing $$$ extra on some new cars and more $$$ on custom paint jobs. Although, it is difficult to see which car driving down the street has an expensive “ice” paint job or a wrap.

    Hello,

    A long time ago, we painted our 1940 Willys Coupe a primer red. As I was polishing the chrome accessories logos, and bumpers, I got some wax on the red primer paint. So, I wiped it off. But, in doing so, it gave it a little gloss, unintended, of course. I had noticed a slight difference when the car moved in different light as we rolled it to the front garage from the backyard garage. Then it started to pop up a lot and bothered me, so I had to wash the areas off, even in this building stage. Once something is noticed, it just stays in your mind until a correction is done.
    upload_2024-6-25_3-57-37.png red primer look…
    Back then the red primer was so we did not have to worry about a finished paint job and extreme care had to be taken when replacing something or doing more work on the overall car. My brother’s goal was to paint in in primer then when running well and becomes a great representative of our work, get it painted, detailed and finished.

    Jnaki

    upload_2024-6-25_3-58-33.png
    Then one day my wife and I saw this cool old Ford truck sitting by the side of a coastal city street. it looked rusty from across the on coming traffic lane. Upon closer inspection, either the salt air was already attacking the paint, the rust was covered in some clear solution or preservative oil. A closer photo proves some solution was sprayed on to preserve the “old car” look. Or, some early morning salt air moisture was having fun.

    We weren’t at a car show, so being a possible daily driver, the old truck had the look to be preserved in any way possible. It had moved several parking spaces on other days we saw it, so it does get driven.
    upload_2024-6-25_4-0-36.png
    normal protection for any paint has numerous ways and products available. But, if anything is left outside, especially in “salt air,” it has no chance for long term survival. YRMV






     
    Okie Pete and Sharpone like this.
  8. Jeff Norwell
    Joined: Aug 20, 2003
    Posts: 15,101

    Jeff Norwell
    MODERATOR
    Staff Member

    I use Owatrol. a Euro Product... a paint conditioner and repels moisture..no silicone and no danger if paint is in your future...
    wipe on.. buff out... no shiny gloss.
    Works for what I need.....
    IMG_2280.JPG IMG_2281.JPG
     
  9. James Mattes
    Joined: Aug 16, 2022
    Posts: 31

    James Mattes
    Member

    I Went the Linseed oil route. Only took a couple hours to do the entire car. The coating did take a couple of days to set up. I am contemplating removing the Linseed oil finish and doing a mild wet sand and buff on the car. Here is what the car looks like after the oil finish. thumbnail_IMG_3792.jpg
     
    Okie Pete, winr, Sharpone and 5 others like this.
  10. Jeff34
    Joined: Jun 2, 2015
    Posts: 1,094

    Jeff34
    Member

    I just did a wet sand with 1,500 grit on the rough spots, then polished and waxed my PU. Still need to finish the bed and the hood sides. Never thought to use Linseed Oil. May need to try that on my roadster... 34.JPG
     
    Okie Pete, Sharpone, WC145 and 3 others like this.
  11. corncobcoupe
    Joined: May 26, 2001
    Posts: 8,144

    corncobcoupe
    SUPER MODERATOR
    Staff Member

    The best Patina ride I ever had.
    All natural - no preservatives.

    P1010058.JPG P1010076.JPG P1010068.JPG
     
  12. alanp561
    Joined: Oct 1, 2017
    Posts: 5,093

    alanp561
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    "Protecting Patina", hmmmm. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the lack of protection is how that patina got there in the first place. ;)
     
    brando1956, Okie Pete and Sharpone like this.
  13. No apologies, I am a super fan of Summit Racing satin clear catalyzed urethane. They call it satin but it is about as dead flat as you can get. It preserves and protects whatever it is on as well as the glitzy big guys while not turning the car into a 100 point trailer queen. Nothing comes close to urethane!!

    And the best part, with a pint of 4-to-1 activator you are into it for 'only' about $100.
     
    Sharpone likes this.
  14. MCjim
    Joined: Jun 4, 2006
    Posts: 1,235

    MCjim
    Member
    from soCal

    That is because in most cases it is not patina. Patina: an overused, misused and corrupted term that has been adopted by the car and motorcycle culture. The word was rarely ever spoken, until it became trendy to have an "aged" appearing car. 90% of the stuff called "patina" is shabby, neglected paint and beyond saving. If over 10-15% the original paint is gone and has dings, oxidized bare metal and other flaws... you just got an old, shitty finish.
     
  15. Jacksmith
    Joined: Sep 24, 2009
    Posts: 1,787

    Jacksmith
    ALLIANCE MEMBER
    from Aridzona

    This poor thing sat out for 30+ years... looked like crap.
    60 Lark lr as found.JPG
    I cleaned it, used some compound and a sponge buffer wheel on it...
    IMG_2186.JPG
    and it still looks like crap. But it's clean...
     
  16. Sharpone
    Joined: Jul 25, 2022
    Posts: 1,701

    Sharpone
    Member

    I do think “Protecting the patina - rust - whatever” is a good idea , slowing the rusting or paint oxidation down will help keep the car on the road a few more years maybe. Some examples above shined up damn nice.
    Dan
     
  17. My wife restores bronze sculptures and "patina" is technically a purposely applied protective coating created by chemical reaction on bronzes that results in a passivated surface that will not corrode until weathered away. Think the brown color of an old penny vs a new penny. Statues with a good patina are brown but when the very thin patina wears away from exposure the statues corrode and turn green, like a penny kept wet under the carpeting of a leaky car. Below is a statue with green corrosion and after being cleaned with a new patina applied

    Before-After.jpg

    Its kind of ironic that her car is a "patina" ride Hardly washed, and never any polish, CLR, wax, clear or sauce. But if you asked my wife she'd tell you the bast way to protect it would be a very hard paste wax applied at lest twice a year in the hot blazing sun so it can soak in the grain boundaries of the metal to protect it (she does that to the statues to keep them looking better longer and not having to re-patinate them). She loves her car, named it Vivian and envisions it fully painted at some point (after my '40 is done its will get the full treatment).
    20211110_140452.jpg
     
  18. I need a job cleaning sculptures
     
  19. It pays pretty well as there are very few folks who know what they are doing out there competing for contracts especially in the south. It is hard, physical work and we ( I often help her out) are getting too old to be scrubbing hot metal from ladders and scaffolding out in the sun. She does mostly small indoor stuff these days. A few people clean them but there is nobody but us, and the original foundry, that does metal repairs when they get broken, I braze them up and she matches the finishes.
     
  20. Ron Brown
    Joined: Jul 6, 2015
    Posts: 1,736

    Ron Brown
    ALLIANCE MEMBER

    50% BOILED linseed oil and 50% acetone mixed.....wipe on, wipe off, lasts about 6 mos and drys in about 15 mins. The key is BOILED linseed oil as opposed to straight linseed oil...been doing this one for many years and NO rust..... IMG_1513.jpeg IMG_1515.jpeg
     
    bymanr, Garpo, rod1 and 3 others like this.
  21. F-ONE
    Joined: Mar 27, 2008
    Posts: 3,512

    F-ONE
    Member
    from Alabama

    I have a rather unusual and unique car.
    Horrible paint job......a 20 footer.
    The orange peel/prep scratches are so bad I thought it was painted with a brush.
    25B63276-3BFD-45D4-99AA-66A182817A1C.jpeg B38B36BD-7B43-4ECC-A40A-5BD9B563EF7E.jpeg 328F3622-956E-4C99-8DFF-E4C8C6A0AC39.jpeg 439D9019-1A97-44D5-9BA9-A0CB7B535649.jpeg AD2BB1BE-E1F9-4ECA-A590-B235477F87CE.jpeg

    The photos may be out of order.
    The car was damaged in a parking lot in ‘77.
    It was painted by the original owner and his son and never finished.
    It’s like a 13 year old car. A time capsule.
    1. Of course the mechanicals.....
    2. Body
    I cannot fully repair hat horrible paint job....
    What I may can do is color sand that 50 year old enamel , panel repair and blend.
    My goal is not to make the car look new but I may can make it look like a credible original 1964 paint job.
     
    Okie Pete likes this.
  22. I've been a fan of real patina forever;...always liked that look...
    upload_2024-7-3_14-20-58.jpeg upload_2024-7-3_14-21-15.jpeg upload_2024-7-3_14-21-31.jpeg upload_2024-7-3_14-21-52.jpeg
     
  23. Kelly Burns
    Joined: May 22, 2009
    Posts: 1,692

    Kelly Burns
    Member

  24. Why does everyone use a temporary shine agent on their oxidized (it's not patina it is damage but what ever potāto potãto)? Wouldn't a heavy 2 part clear be more permanent in the preservation effort preserving the formally neglected surface.
     
  25. Super/Stock Poncho
    Joined: May 11, 2009
    Posts: 197

    Super/Stock Poncho
    Member
    from Missouri

    I just use old fashioned paste wax once a year. IMG_7155.jpeg IMG_7097.jpeg IMG_6711.jpeg IMG_6710.jpeg IMG_6712.jpeg IMG_7097.jpeg
     
    bymanr, Okie Pete, xtralow and 9 others like this.
  26. Jacksmith
    Joined: Sep 24, 2009
    Posts: 1,787

    Jacksmith
    ALLIANCE MEMBER
    from Aridzona

    Now that's good honest wear... earned, not manufactured.
    If a gloss clear was applied over this paint it would ruin the natural effect. (Flat or satin clear would not)

    I.M.O., Things like real paint wear, real lake pipes, real spot lights, etc. are cool... the fake ones are not.
     
    Last edited: Jul 4, 2024
  27. What’s real and what isn’t IMG_9982.jpeg
    Doesn’t really matter anyway
    2 weeks after applying the snake oil
    IMG_0378.jpeg
     
    rusty1, Okie Pete and Jacksmith like this.
  28. Jacksmith
    Joined: Sep 24, 2009
    Posts: 1,787

    Jacksmith
    ALLIANCE MEMBER
    from Aridzona

    In the Twilight Zone it's hard to tell...
    Ha ha, it's all about perspective!
     
    anthony myrick likes this.

Share This Page

Register now to get rid of these ads!

Archive

Copyright © 1995-2021 The Jalopy Journal: Steal our stuff, we'll kick your teeth in. Terms of Service. Privacy Policy.

Atomic Industry
Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd.