Technical Mystery Ford? 6

This engine is for sale just down the road from me and it's described as a "Zeffer 6 modified" that was raced in an Allard. I've tried to identify it using the Edelbrock F 361 intake, but I can't find any info on the manifold. Anyone have an idea as to what it is? The Ford Six Performance forum is no help.

 

I thought maybe they meant Ford Zephyr, but it looks like the exhaust and intake are on the wrong side for it to be that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Zephyr_engine#Zephyr_6?wprov=sfla1

 

looks like a 200 (or one of the other sizes of the same basic design).

More pictures, including numbers on head and block, will help identify it further.

 

the 1960 version of the intake

 

Thanks, I appreciate your help. I can't find any reference to the F 361 manifold, but it can't be too different from the one in the article you found.

 

...Buy it Alan and build a hot rod around it.

 

Looks a lot like my 240/300 Ford

 

should look a lot more like a 144/170/200 and sort of 250 Ford?

note the shape of the valve cover, the exhaust manifold mounting surface angle, the small rear of the block, etc.

 

Looking at all that, especially that small rear and high mount starter location, and I'd almost have to agree except the 170 and 200s intake manifolds are cast into the head. After searching further, I find that the Australian Ford sixes had a removable intake. Maybe that's what I'm looking at here. How about some of you guys from Oz chime in?

 

Did you look at the picture that I posted above? and read the article? I can scan the rest of it.

you had to drill holes into the integral manifold part of the head, and then clamp the aluminum part to the head, to use this aftermarket 3 carb intake on the 144/170/200.

I guess if you haven't been around this stuff for decades it's pretty confusing

 

It would be interesting to know what Allard this was allegedly raced in. The only Allards I've ever seen ran American V8s; flatheads, Olds, Cads....., but anything is possible.

 

More than likely used in a Midget. They used to cut the integral intake off and bolt on , with some ingenuity, Hilborn [or so] injection. Saw one at a local machine shop. Running on alcohol they did quite well; seen them run once at Plainville Stadium in the early 70's.

 

As noted above there is also a 250 version of this motor family with an approximately 1" taller deck height (I seem to remember it having the V8 bellhousing bolt pattern, but it was 30yrs ago, & I'm not sure). It also had the same manifold cast as a part of the head. I used it to replace the 200" 6cyl in an early '80s Mustang, although I did have to "dimple" the front end of the hood due to the increased deck height of the motor. The 240/300 are a different motor family

 

There is an 1954 Allard for sale now on FB . The ad says it was raced in Florida with a Zepher engine. Here is a pic of the motor that was in the ad. Don't know if this helps at all?

 

It does make it pretty obvious that the engine in the first post is not really a Zephyr engine

 

Yes, I did, thanks. I've read several things on other forums that described completely milling the log manifold off the head and drilling the mounting holes, but they were using Offy manifolds. This manifold in the ad is the only example I've found using an Edelbrock.
Just found a HAMB thread from Nov. 2, 2008, with a lot of information about how Ak Miller made the Ford 6's work. I can't bring up the link, but here's a screen shot of the article.

 

here's the link to the thread

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...con-and-engine-guys-have-i-gone-crazy.306452/

 

here's the whole story...more details about how the intakes work. This is from early 1960, these engines were still brand new!

 

Thanks, Jim. I see that Edelbrock designated the manifold as an F 360. If I want to know any more about an F 361, I guess I'm just going to have to make the trip. The fact that the guy who posted the ad referred to the engine as a "Zeffer" or Zephyr, could very well mean that it is an Australian unit.

 

could more likely mean that he really doesn't know anything about it?

 

I find it amazing that Edelbrock had their three carb intake out in March 1960, for a model year 1960 car, which came out no doubt in late 1959.
Does anyone nowadays get stuff engineered, cast and machined that fast?

 

sure, they have computers and cnc now.

 

The 60 in the part number, for a part that fits a 1960 144 engine, makes me think they redesigned it a bit in 61 when the larger 170 engine was available, and changed the part number. But that's just a wild guess.

 

Here's mine, but it's an F360.
If you need any measurements, let me know.

 

Alan, interested in purchasing it or just curious about the engine?

 

Maybe, yes. Along with everything else I've got going on, I'm in the process of building my daughter's '65 Futura wagon. I've got the original 170, need to either find a small bellhousing C4, or if this engine and transmission looks right, find a stock clutch/brake pedal and give her something that no one else has. LOL, I'm afraid that I've got more ideas than time to get them done.

 

Including how to spell

 

I've got a '42 Ford 6, that came in a roller chassis I recently bought. I've been wondering about building/hopping it up, this thread really makes me want to now!

 

I wonder if the numbers (360/361) indicate number of carburetors and year?

 

There were English Ford Zephyrs, as well as the US Lincoln Zephyr.