Technical ***August 2024 Banger Meet Thread - Hot/cold August Nights***

Link to previous month: July 2024 Banger Meet

Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
Stay safe.

For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
phone: 951-695-7313.

A few links to speed equipment companies there may be more
https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts

Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498

Banger basics. another info link list:
http://www.fordgarage.com/

http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
and this link shows the missing image from the above post
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055

The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/

Model B rod bearing insert numbers
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484

Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

Adjusting dual Strombergs:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

Helpful Model A tools and tips:
http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

Elrod's stuck head tech:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

Model A generator to alternator conversion:
http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php

Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05

Chevy Banger Stuff
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226

Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm

 

Thanks Jiminy!!
J

 

Got a lead on some stuff I need, will be listing stuff to cover the cost. Bob

 

Getting some miles on the roadster and sorting out some issues. Replaced the fuel shut off valve as it was letting fuel past that was eventually deposited on my garage floor. Rebuilt the Zenith and also added a second ground cable between the engine and the frame as I was having issues turning over when it was hot.

Still need to repack the waterpump as it's leaking out past the packing nut and making a small mess but we're on our way!

 

Getting the parts and pieces to make the Auto Restoration T-5 kit I bought in 2003 work with a stock clutch disc has been a real chore. Waiting for the from seal and ready to put everything back together next week

 

Checking in

 

Made myself a filter housing to try to keep some of the sand out… it’s a tight fit under the hood.

 

Had a blast with Max from H&H and documented the mockup of his blown 4 port!

 

^^^^ I'd like to see the machining to cut the groove for the combustion chamber wire.

 

What I find unusual about that 4 port Riley head is that there has been little to no effort made to use the more common and readily available Model A water pump in the re-issuing of this head.

I know that the angle of the intake port’s face is more conducive to the ‘B’ and ‘C’ water pump, but they’re certainly not as common as an A water pump.

just my observation.

 

So my excuse for not being at Bonneville this year is that I need a shop
So put up today
Still a long way to go

 

Regarding thew Riley heads; seems like we all now know that H&H is reproducing them,
but there seems to be little actually known about them and their performance if used
on an otherwise street vehicle. Our cam guru, Jim Brierley, might wish to chime in
on this topic whenever he has some free time to discuss the good and bad of this otherwise
unique and desirable head. just my 2 cents worth

 

So, as far as the H&H head is concerned, IMHO, well worth the money.
I assembled one for a friend, the casting is well done and the machine work is nicely done.
The interesting change is using a solid bucket with shims to even out the valve stem lengths.
I do not have any performance data, but I do not see anything that would cause me to think it would not perform.
As for the comments about "B" pumps, yes, they are not as available. But I do not understand why you would want an old worn out pump and technology as the "A" pumps. I was tired of dealing with the "A" pumps and went to the more modern V8 pumps. Yes an adaptor is required but no more mess under the hood.

Just my $0.02, J

 

I want to try making a harley on fit a stromberg..... when I have time.....

 

August is already better. Motor back in car (original flywheel and pressure plate). It runs, goes forward and back, shifts and stops...... a month to late for Rodtoberfest.....

 

Regarding John's comments on the 4 Port- the early 4 ports were like the 2 Ports with the rockers working directly against the valve stems, but Riley did supply heads later on with the bucket design. #40 is running an aluminum 4 port with the buckets. Not sure, but I think the Vesco heads used the buckets, but I have no idea regarding the Butler heads. Perhaps someone knows the whole story. I have a cast iron 4 port without the buckets.

 

Seems as though the 2 ports used a Model A water pump.

anyone heard anything from the father and son team that bought the patterns from Charlie Yapp?

 

June 28th 2025 will be the next Santa Margarita Time trials. Start getting your cars together; it promises to be a great event!

 

It seems that Dan Price's website is down. Does anyone know if he’s still in business?

 

I've had great luck with the leakless cartridge from Snyders and a new SS shaft. Next best is new packing on a SS shaft if you use water pump grease.... throw some new bearings in it while you are at it....
Good luck

 

Checking in for the month. About had my fill of 40 ford brakes been really kicking my ass. Murphys law has ruled on getting them to work right. I thought i had them figured out and then found another wheel cylinder leaking.

 

John --

Missed you at the stuffing party. Just as well, your son is more fun. And the new shop looks pretty (pretty small I mean). But the driveway leading up to it looks really nice.

Stan

 

Hey Stan

Good to hear from you, the kid mentioned you were lonely at the party
Well all the steel is up and the second floor parking will be nice
BTW the driveway is ruff to slow down the thieves as they try to leave
It gives me time to reload

Hope you and yours are doing well
J

 

The best part of mechanical brakes is they never leak

 

What's one more spot on the floor...... No other car marks its territory like a Model A.

 

Or
Who needs a dipstick
When it quits spotting add oil

fwiw the ‘39 brake cylinders do require a master with a residual valve
They will leak if not driven periodically

J

 

My Model B is marking its territory despite me being very careful installing the oil pan. It appears the front seal leaks on one side where the seal meets the pan and block. I’ll probably tackle it again but after I drive it a bit. Oil leaks must just be part of the charm of these 90+year old cars.
Air cooled Porsches are leakers. as well. They’re said to “sweat horsepower”.

 

Drove the T to Denmark for the Romo beach races on Saturday. It never seemed like a sensible idea but…

 

Love your work @hotrodfil So how did it run?

 

I’ll let you know. Scrutineering today after the rain stops. Racing tomorrow.