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Technical Custom cut glass, what should I expect for quality?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by tlmartin84, Aug 21, 2024.

  1. alchemy
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    I was under the impression that once it’s tempered, any sort of chips or disturbance will shatter it to smithereens. No way I’d try sanding that edge.

    Tell them that the HAMB says it’s not good enough, and you want a proper replacement. Let them know how many people read the HAMB and will see their name in the thread.
     
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  3. @Lloyd's paint & glass? Lloyd does fine work. You are also not that far from him.
     
  4. tlmartin84
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    20240821_192702.jpg Well guys they offered to refund it. But, I stood there looking at it and decided to give it a go.

    Spray bottle, durablock and 80 grit...

    Ill be danged...no issues, only had about 10 minutes in it.

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  5. twenty8
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    Make sure to send the pics of your work to the company to show them how it should look....;)

    Only thing that worries me is how quick and easy it was to sand the edges. Makes me wonder if it is actually tempered glass. Are there any "standards" marks etched into it?
     
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  6. Unkl Ian
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    Never knew you could cut glass with a chair saw.

    Edges are supposed to be sanded to a Bullnose.
     
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  7. twenty8
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    Vehicle side window glass typically has a ground "pencil edge", and @tlmartin84 has done a good job of it.
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  8. texasred
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    really hard to believe you sanded with 80 grit if that glass was tempered, if it is tempered it will have a logo on bottom not just a sticker
     
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  9. tlmartin84
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    10 minutes sanding on one or two spots with 80 grit...not exactly what I would I classify as easy...ha

    And no, there are no markings, but if this was cut from a large sheet, would there even be markings? Supposedly these are cut and then tempered at their business.
     
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  10. So it is tempered glass, not safety glass?
     
  11. tlmartin84
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    Tempered is safety glass.
     
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  12. squirrel
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    Tempered glass is safety glass.

    Laminated glass is safety glass.

    So calling glass "safety glass" doesn't tell us whether it's laminated, or tempered.
     
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  13. Tempered glass shatters. Safety glass does not. The side glass in late models is tempered glass but windshields are safety glass with a layer of vinyl sandwiched in between layers of glass.
     
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  14. tlmartin84
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    Tempered is a type of safety glass, just as tempered is.

    I don't think anywhere in this entire thread did I refer to it as safety glass, or tempered.
     
  15. 34Phil
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    late models' glass is now laminated as it reduces noise
     
  16. I'm just going by what my local glassman tells me. I am no expert. But I do know I don't want any tempered glass in my hot rods. :D
     
  17. 05snopro440
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    You're referring to laminated glass. Laminated glass is used for windshields so that it remains in one piece if something hits the windshield and it shatters.

    Tempered glass is usually used for side windows so that it shatters into small pieces and leaves the opening clear so that the occupant isn't trapped inside the vehicle. They're both safety glass with different purposes. Yes, laminated has been used more recently for side windows in some vehicles to reduce noise and keep occupants inside in the event of a collision, but it has the downside of making egress more difficult.
     
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  18. twenty8
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    Yeah, you said it was tempered in post #20.

    All vehicle glass should be safety glass. Windshield is laminated, side and rear glass is usually tempered/toughened.
    If your new glass is not tempered, don't fit it to your vehicle.
     
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  19. tlmartin84
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    I've noticed this as well, but is it laminate glass, or laminated tempered glass???
     
  20. 60 Special
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    I have always compared custom cut glass to what I remember as a kid in the 1950's. Without knowing it at the time, my brain was wired for quality. I would run my short stubby fingers (wife's description) over the nice smooth rounded edges, while sitting in the back seat of the family's sedan. I have always used this as a standard of how glass edges should be finished. Anything of less quality would be a reject for me! As stated above, if @krylon32 uses Classic Auto Glass, that would be my first place to start shopping. I know @krylon32 uses first class services on all his builds. Ok, I've said my 2 cents worth! 60 Special
     
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  21. twenty8
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    It is laminated tempered glass. Quite expensive, and used mainly in higher end makes.
     
  22. tim troutman
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    If it was this company there have been threads on the hamb to stay away. I have had problems with them & would never buy from them again. they used to set up at the NSRA events frog follies & swap meets. after not receiving items I had paid for over a year prior asked for a refund in person with a receipt I believe the guys name was Applegate said he didn't have any cash. Later was walking by seen someone pay for glass told him I know you have money now.after some discussion he gave me most of my money back.also got some glass that was sombody elses & some pieces that did not fit right. I wanted tempered glass because it does not separate like laminated glass does over time 20240822_100621[1].jpg
     
  23. Lloyd's paint & glass
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    Hey Tim, you can fix that yourself if you have a hand held belt sander. Those aluminum oxide belts, 80 grit and 150ish. A spray bottle of water. Keep it wet. For the top of the glass where your arm sits, you can go as high as you wish on the grit.
     
  24. tlmartin84
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    So no issue on using the belt sander on TEMPERED?
     
  25. Unkl Ian
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    How is that supposed to work ?
     
  26. squirrel
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    Safety glass for cars started around 1930ish....at first, it was all laminated, then they started using tempered glass for the back window in the late 30s, then the side windows as well in the late 50s to mid 60s.

    Using the term "safety glass" to try to distinguish between tempered glass and laminated glass is futile, because no one besides you will know what you're talking about.
     
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  27. Mr48chev
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    I bought this belt sander for glass that wet sands the edge of the glass from a guy who had bought it to make knives with a few years ago. I don't have space for it and it is stuck outside right now. It came with a box full of used belts and belts and parts are still available from the company.
    As far as the OP's glass, just maybe the "new guy" had the job of doing that glass. IMG_4460.JPG IMG_4459.JPG IMG_4462.JPG
     
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  28. Lloyd's paint & glass
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    No sir. Sorry, i didn't realize it was tempered. Return it to whoever you bought it from
     
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  29. Mr48chev
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    Tempered glass for hot rods is flat plate glass that has been cut, sanded and finished before it is tempered. There is a shop in Vancouver Wa that specializes in it that I am going to have make a tempered window for my boat and they will probably get the job of making the glass for my 48.
     
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