Hot Rods whats going on with the front frame on this car???

I'm starting to think I got the wrong tires, try'n to put bias tires on a car thats not a traditional car...

this car looks 2000's or newer era...like built yesterday

 

this one has painted wheels.... like in painted yesterday..

 

You've posted photos of yellow Duece roadsters with painted steel whees and trim rings, grey spoke Americans, and chrome reverse wheels. If you really like the ones you settled for, it's your car, do whatever you want, but when you ask for opinions it seems you're not entirely sold one the choice. I have radials on my roadster, not quite "traditional" hot rod stuff, but I'm not asking for anyone else's opinion. I'm the guy that drives it.

 

Here's a clue regarding rubber rake. The half of the wheel/tire above the axle will make no difference at all to the stance.

 

Let us know what you mean by "at least 1" positive back space" so we can help find what you want.
Backspace is not expressed as positive or negative.
This might help: https://www.mickeythompsontires.com/tech-bulletins/backspacing-and-offset

 

some times I forget I'm on the hamb... normal places wheels have pos and neg off set...

a 7'' wheel has 4'' back space at zero off set... one with 1'' positive off set will have 5'' back space..

 

you probley need more of the story... when I bought this car , i bought it cause its a 32 frame thats traditional built with a 32 title... I was looking for a more traditional car with a auto trans cause I'm loosing the ability to shift and push a clutch in..32's are through the roof...so my idea was to take the glass body off..... and come up on a real steel 32 body... and I'd be ahead the chassis and title..... but it turned out to be such a nice driver.... so gonna leave it... my problem is..... the car is not traditional,... and buying the bias tires in 15'' was a huge mistake...I can live with the rims... just proble need to put radial type tires...I'm good with not being like every one, or making everyone happy with what I do...as far as the whole car... I'm trying to learn to like it.... if I can't get there it'll go down the road....

 

I'm thinking the new front tires are too tall...and I mirror the comments about the new wheels. I'm not sure if it's an offset issue, whether they're too blingy, the style is close but not right or what...but they don't look "right" to me. So, what does "right" mean, it's hard to explain, but when you see it, you know its right.

 

ahhhhhh it might help you if you read it....LOL

Backspacing and Offset


Backspace and offset are two ways of describing where the wheel sits in relationship to the hub. As such, there is a relationship between the two making – it possible to convert from one to the other.

Backspacing is the easiest to understand. It is simply the distance from the back of the mounting pad to the back lip of the wheel. It is measured by laying the wheel on its face, placing a straight edge across the wheel, and then measuring down to mounting face. The higher this measurement the more the wheel is pushed inboard towards the car’s centerline, as shown in the illustration above.

Offset is the distance from the mounting surface to the centerline of the wheel, expressed in millimeters. Positive offset means that the wheels are pushed inboard towards the centerline of the car like a car with front wheel drive. Negative means that the wheels are moved outboard towards the fenders, widening the track.

TO CONVERT OFFSET TO BACKSPACING:
For positive offset wheels: (Wheel Width +1)/2 + (offset * .03937)

For negative offset wheels: (Wheel Width +1)/2 – (offset * .03937)

TO CONVERT BACKSPACING TO OFFSET:
Backspacing – (Wheel Width + 1)/2 * 25.4 = offset

Round this result to the nearest milimeter. If the answer is a negative number the wheel has negative offset, if positive then a positive offset.

This is Mickey Thompson DRAG / STREET Technical Bulletin #7.

 

No need to insult the HAMB when it was you that used the wrong terminology. You were using positive to describe backspace, which is not correct.

Now you are on the right track. A wheel with 1" positive offset will sit 1" further inwards than a wheel with zero offset. Problem is that 1" positive (or more correctly 25mm positive) is in FWD territory. You might have to be looking at more modern steel wheels to get that offset with a 6" wide rim.

 

With the chrome and shiny paint, I don't think steelies are the way to go or the narrow bias ply tires. Maybe something more of a Halibrand copy? 32 is a little high in the rear for my taste without the gas tank back there. And tires need to fit tighter to the body.

 

I'm with you... and thanks for posting... the problem is I was trying to do two things at once... my goal was to pull the body off this hotrod and and put a barn find 32 on the chassis...so when I bought the tires I bought the 30'' and 26'' tires for that... so... being cheep, i wanted them to work.. the wheels to me look ok for what the car is,... it'll never be a traditional build.... first off it's fiber glass.... and it's bright yellow.. but the reason I asked opinions was maybe I'm missing something... everyone here can not like what I do, but at the end of the day ,I still do what i want... guys like you are rare here.. most try to think up the most harsh delivery of their opinion...

I like the wheels on this woody, it had 20's when i got it... and i know nobody likes woodys here but me, and I'm good with that...

 

agreed, when I built 32's 40 years ago, 57 was the limit for rear end width... this one is 591/2" and the reason i'm thinking was the 16'' wide mickeys on back.. with a wider tire it won't be so stand out wrong...or most won't notice it.. ... 30 yrs ago I did this hemi 34,,... the 2 most asked questions... are you gonna put new wheels and tires, and when are gonna put the fenders bck on

 

agreed...but the tires will make some good garage art in my garage rack...

 

LMAO... so you still haven't read the link to the post you gave me... I even copy paste it for you...

 

that was the reason I went to a 7'' in the rear... and 5'' on the front back space frt...3'' rear 4''

 

You are a real hard guy to help.
Have a read of what you originally said. I have highlighted the bit where you got it all mixed up.
You can't use positive/zero/negative to describe backspace...... and backspace is what you said.
All I did was ask you to clarify so we might be able to give you some help.

 

this is in the neighborhood of the car I want.... the yellow car is just what I happen to have...



it looks like 15'' wheels???

 

Lots of 15x6 steel wheels available with a 3.75" backspace. Would a quarter inch really make that much difference?
If you step up to a 15x7 steel wheel there are many available with up to 4.5" backspace.

My thoughts? The rear needs 15x7 or 15x8 wheels with at least 235/70r15 or 235/75r15 tires to suit the car style.
These are 245/70r15 on 8" and are just about perfect.
Car belongs to @KoolKat-57. He might let us know what he runs up front.

 

Couldn’t be much farther route from yours to this one. Those are 16” Ford spokes with repro Lyon covers on them.

 

I guess you don't get it wheels are sold by pos. and neg. off set...back space is the distance from the wheel mounting surface to the OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE WHEEL.... even that was hard for people to grasp... they would call reverse wheels positive and would argue that as long as you would talk to them...

 

well, I thought I could start from having a 32 frame... but I did see a car with the 8.20's on 15's and I have a car with the 820's on 16's

 

agree, thats my project for tomorrow, I think it might save the rims for me... but at dinner tonight my son said they have, I think he said race line wheels at discount cheep... so I might get yellow wheels...

 

I think the old school wheels are a kinda copy of supremes.... only certain people like supremes...like kustom kemp guys with 58's

 

I bought this car to put on the 32 frame.... but it turned out to be a nice car after I got it home

 

Then why put chrome spokes in it?

 

I guess cause its a yellow car with chrome every where....????

 

As mentioned earlier for 16"steel wheels.
30's-40's Mopar rims use a 4.5" x 5 bolt pattern.
I used a set of 1940 Dodge 16' X 5' rims on my Sedan Delivery when I first built it with 600 x 16s & 750 x 16s. I had 4 wheel disc brakes on it and the wheels bolted right up.
Also the Mopar rims use "clips" to hold the hubcaps on, so I simply removed the centers out of the Mopar and '48 Ford hubcaps and mounted the Mopar centers (with PL400) into the Ford caps so they could be held on by the clips.

 

I wanted a vintage look for my merc so I bought hubcaps from the 50s and not the 2000s.
JS