Technical ***March 2025 Banger Meet Thread - In Like A Lion, Out Like A Lamb***

Link to previous month: February 2025 Banger Meet

Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
Stay safe.

For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
phone: 951-695-7313.

A few links to speed equipment companies there may be more
https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts
https://eraspeed.com/

Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498

Banger basics. another info link list:
http://www.fordgarage.com/

http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
and this link shows the missing image from the above post
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055

The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/

Model B rod bearing insert numbers
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484

Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

Adjusting dual Strombergs:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

Helpful Model A tools and tips:
http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

Elrod's stuck head tech:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

Model A generator to alternator conversion:
http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php

Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05

Chevy Banger Stuff
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226

Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm

 

Had a weekend driving the Coupe about with its fresh engine.

 

Still pretty icy up here in southern Ontario.
Warren

 

Banger Magneto Question….

I’ve been looking at different magnetos for the B engine in my vintage, pile-o-parts sprint car.

Here’s the latest one I’ve looked at:
WICO AP, base mount 4 cyl.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2568331321...bx14briS1u&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Does it rotate CW looking at the drive end? Yes CW
Does it have an impulse drive? Apparently.
Will it work on my Alexander OHV with side drive if the drive lines up?
Thanks!

 

Nothing too major to report! With a circus of 4 toddlers between me and my girlfriend, I decided its time to get a heavy hauler!

Does anyone know if a Belond header will fit with the engine pans without trimming?

So far I've got a B distributor for it, downdraft intake and carb, 6:1 head, and a belond header.

 

Try to find out from somebody that has run a mag and find out what's involved to make work right. My discussions with guys that used these for racing told me they had to run a like a choke cable to be able to advance and retard the spark. Most were used on stationary equipment and didn't need an advance curve. From what I've heard after starting and engine is hot, they can be hard to restart if you don't have a way to adjust. Hopefully somebody with more experience chimes in and has some information to share.

 

I've been thinking about linkage for my side drive, but the choke cable idea is genius! I forgot where exactly he wrote it, but Jim Brierly made a comment regarding side drives recommending the use of an impulse. I'm sure with using the stock GAV mount and a clever bell crank design, you could adjust one

 

I've used this American Bosch mag on one of my side drives. I prefer it because it has a lever that adjusts the timing manually.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2671168370...9bTJY9TVDeCsKGKpnOiZVchw==|tkp:Bk9SR4bjybqsZQ


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Thanks for the first hand advice @Crazydaddyo ! Definitely one to consider,

EDIT: Considered it for about a minute, and bought it.
Cheap enough to experiment with. Plus I found another one equally as cheap. Dredged up some pages on the net from an original manual..
Good info on that model and its setup.
Thanks again! Looks promising.

 

Hot rod sedans are plenty of fun, I've just got mine running with a hopped up burtz, mines right hand drive so I can't answer your question about the header, but I can tell you I haven't had any overheating problems with the previous hopped up banger and the current burtz since I went to a pressurised radiator, some 16 wires with 7.00 rears and 5.50 front tyres its sits ok on stock suspension but I do have a 34 axle for it and plan to pull a couple of leaves to get it sitting better
Here a quick video of it running, the burtz is pretty healthy, it's got a lionspeed 7.5:1 head, burtz 340 cam, burns intake, larger holley 94 from a y block and a home made 4 into 1 header that works pretty well, it will pull 55mph in second with a stock transmission, 3.78 gears, I've had it to 80mph so far but chickened out due to stock brakes, but boy is it fun, I've had fun this last month of summer

 

I do love a 7-window Coupe myself...

 

Can anyone help me with information on a '32 Plymouth 4 cylinder engine?

 

@Star 351 at 80mph, braking would be fun!!

great going

 

So, the lever operates the advance?

 

You might want to look at posts made by the late RichFox. There might be something there.

 

I talked with Rich before he died. He couldn't remember very many details.

 

Burl

Yes.
There is also a lag mechanism on the drive side (impulse drive) that automatically retards the timing at engine starting speed. Once the engine is at idle speed, the lag locks out and reverts to static timing. If I remember correctly, the timing lever on the back changes the timing @ 10 or 12 degrees.

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@Crazydaddyo
Thanks for the info. Good stuff!

 

American Bosch mags came in different frame sizes. MJA, MJB, and MJC. The MJA is the largest and MJC is the smallest. There is no difference in spark out put. The MLC fits most of the side drives that I've seen,

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Have you searched on here? He posted for many years here, might be able to glean some info.
Do the Montana Dodge Boys play with Plymouth's too?

 

The '29 Super Cab will be back on the road this weekend after almost 2 years of malingering. Fired it up and set the timing yesterday. After lunching the Model B with an original CRAGAR head, I bought a touring engine from Bert's Model A and traded the CRAGAR to Steve Becker.

 

Nope,
They use the db fast four that was produced in 1927-1928

 

Rich’s last build was a DB
It currently resides in NZ

J

 

Saw this on marketplace in Grand Junction, pretty cool deal for someone right now:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplac...wse_serp:a5941058-d2f2-4ebc-bc58-f4813668ec0a

 

^^^^^^^^^^^
T-GO head, Buffalo wheels, and a new Polyform body! Not sure about the intake manifold… but looks like a good start to me!

 

Is anyone using Charlie Price's Vintage Speed Carb Adapter on their Banger? If so, how does it perform?

 

Not that one, But I have a bunch of stuff from Charlie and have never had any issues. But onto another issue. Two Model As, both running stock running gear, mechanical brakes and cast drums. The stock 35 wheels fit the drums no problem, but the Kelsey Hayes with their welded spokes will not fit over the drums. Has anyone else encountered this and can we grind the welds a bit?
Warren

Kelsey Hayes wheel with welded spokes


Spokes making contact


Stock 35 wheel

 

I run kh wires on my coupe.

32 front brakes, model A rear.

I've not experienced any issues with fitting over the drums.

 

Pretty sure the bent spokes aren’t welded in the centers. Those are the heads of the spokes. Do not grind!

 

I got to ride in a killer Tudor Sedan with a hopped up banger this weekend on a reliability run to the Don Garlits Museum. It has a Burtz block with a Miller overhead and a T5. It was amazing how well it ran.