Technical WHO was the Einstein that came up with this 'great'idea ?...

This has nothing to do with politics. It actually started in 1951 when someone in the US decided to go along with the new ISO standards so we could compete with the rest of the world.

 

I wish you'd kept this little secret to yourself. I've been grabbing them off of EuroCars for years, and now the salvage yard supply will be more limited with all the HAMB folks snagging them.

 

I’m bilingual too. American and USN….not because I was ever in the Navy but I worked with too many who served.

 

I just fiddle fart around until I find the correct socket/wrench/screwdriver to get the job done.
My tools are a jumble as I am non ADHD,I work by myself,I don't work on other peoples junk and once in a while I semi organize my tools.
I am also never in a hurry. Whatever job it it is will eventually get done.
I'm also in the camp of having better things to rant about than a hose clamp.

 

Then you have this...

 

That was fascinating.

 

Not Politics, was start of ,
Only in my fifty's, In my experience and seeing things & was taught , thought
Buy USA made , then Japan , German,
Swiss.
Seem in last 25 year or so that all the
Manufacturers sine items are made off shore Quality has went down,
Even with a 4 hundred K Ferrari.
It seems that most people born after
1980ish Do not know what Quality is or
What it Represented ,
I my self will not use self check ,
I do not like to have to order items on line , I rather go to Store , But most of Us know the Big Box Store took out most of the Friendly stores in the Neighborhood, small town.
Even Nail's are poor quality & Pretty much all sold @ H-F wast of time & $
Now there wrench / sockets are up grade over last 10 years ,
Its Just Quality is down in all aspects of our lives , I have S-B equipment still going strong over 115 years old

 

Don't you mean 6.3mm, 9.5mm, and 12.7mm drive?

 

Quality was crap in the fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties.

The thirties and forties were worse yet.

 

Goldurn it, when we wuz startin' out we had to cut pegs with double-bitted axes and bore holes in logs to pound 'em into just fer a dang house to live in, all while a-watching over our shoulders fer the injuns and bars and sich.

 

There were lots of quality parts made in all those eras...........and lots that were not. Simply look at some of the precision machines that were built in those eras and many of them are still working today. We made everything from nuclear submarines to spaceships and put a man on the moon. They also made Yugo's at the opposite end of the quality spectrum.............so there Yugo!

 

As used to be said, Sometimes Yugo, and sometimes Yudon’t!

 

wow, 3rd page

.

 

Yeah, rose colored glasses tend to distort reality...

 

In the antiques biz I saw my share of chintzy chit from back in the day, but it always felt to me like high quality/bespoke items were universally much finer than the stuff you'd buy today at equivalent prices. Tools and other things that have to work every time they are needed seem to be much tougher.

 

The mix of thread types is nothing new. I bought this cable drive tach for my FED project. The cable threads on the back of the housing were boogered, and I needed to find a die to clean them up. That cable thread is British Standard Brass.



Cheers,
Harv

 

as a foreign dealer tech i found many ( at least european) car seat belt mounting threads were 7/16 x 20 but with a metric head

 

I generally use these. Work perfect. No they're not "restoration" certified lol... but I'm a hot rodder.

 

Quality went out the window when companies realised they needed people to buy new products for them to survive, and so 'Built In Obsolescence' was born.

The buzz phrase during my time in the Automotive industry was 'Perceived Quality' make of that what you will...........

 

I guess I should have completed the above quote with this. In 1951 we were the standard for the world.

 

I don't know exactly who did it, but he's Chinese for sure. Chinese suppliers default to metric on anything you don't specifically call out as imperial.
I worked for a company in PA who made heated cabinets - we developed a product that required a special length 1/4-20 bolt. The engineer created a technical drawing which showed the bold and specifically called out the under-head length and the 1/4-20 thread. A pallet (that's a lot of short 1/4-20 bolts) showed up on our doc and every one of them wrenched 10mm because the engineer assumed they'd use a 1/2" wrenching head. The assembly line has to get all new sockets and use them on the air screwdrivers specially for those screws until we used them all up.

 

I've been doing a lot of couch sitting and watching TV lately......

 

Survivorship bias. We think things were better quality 50 år 100 years ago because the 50 or 100 year old things we see are good quality. Nobody thinks about all the lower quality stuff that broke and was scrapped long ago, it is long gone so we never see it!

 

I like to use a metric lefthanded monkey wrench for when working on a car...

 

They're certainly functional. Ugly, but functional.

Some people seem to like them, I'll stick with the regular style screw clamp.

 

Like I said earlier...........If everyone would stop worrying about whether things are Metric or Standard and just organize them by their size, then its no different than when needing the next size wrench with either set. You just have to take the time (one day) to organize them once and forever............. Try it.......you'll like it!

 

I wish we had a laughing emoji for the HAMB.

 

When it comes to sockets and wrenches
It seem most modern kits skip over sizes / missing , do not know if always been this way ,Just started noticing when I was buying extra tools for other toolboxes.

Tool related
Back in 80s I purchased two kits from
Sears Craftsman Tap & Die master kits
One was SAE the other Metric ,
Each kit if I remember correct was like
150 - 250 piece per kit / box $250 ish @ time , mine grew legs , about year or so I was going to replace , I did just little searching ,
I did not find kits like ones I had ,
The one's I seen small like Snap & Mac
Mix in same kit of SAE / Metric
$500 up Not all sizes that I remember
Sears Craftsman kits where ,
The boxes where Gray in color

 

The job is not complete until you install these...

 

They haven't came in yet! I got the red ones, with the nylon stuff to cover my hoses lmao