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Projects Building My First Roadster in San Francisco

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by J.Ukrop, Sep 7, 2020.

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  1. J.Ukrop
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    I'm on my flight home from a very fun Fourth of July weekend in Michigan. I don't really have any updates, except that I've ordered a handful of parts—including a pair of original rear axle nuts and washers from All Ford and some detail pieces for the grille shell. I meant to sketch out my wiring diagram while I was at my parents', but I didn't get around to it. That's on the agenda for this week.
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    Here's an old rod for inspiration.
     
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    There's no denying that the "To-Do" list is shrinking, but you'd be mistaken to think that this car is almost ready for the road. This week, I plan to sketch/start laying out the wiring diagram, as well as ordering any components I need to make that happen. I'm also going to bolt in the gas tank, order straps, and begin routing the fuel line. This weekend, I'm bleeding brakes.
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    A-V8, with driver for scale.
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    Random shot of roadster and waste receptacles.
    IMG_0596.jpg Justin modeling the correct driving footwear. Superrrrr long shot, but does anyone have a chrome 1930-'31 Model A roadster dash rail?

    There you have it—we're all caught up. Looking forward to being back in the garage to keep making progress on this project!
     
  3. RodStRace
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    On the hubcap front, there are a few things. First, the wheel must be wobble free and stiff enough not to flex much around corners. A great cap won't stay on a bad wheel. Wobble can be checked, flex not so much. A lower tire pressure will help with this, flexing more and transferring less jarring force.
    Next the spring teeth need to grab well, and evenly. I saw way too many just plier out the inside ones and make it even worse. The spring band must be solid on the cap. One bad spot weld and that section can flex. Check the teeth on the cap, they need to be sharp. They will dig into the paint and metal.
    Get a hubcap pry hammer.
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    When everything is right, they will hurt your hand/wrist knocking them on.
     
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    we aren't so concerned with them being stolen..and yes they are nice! they have honest use and add tremendously to the look!!...
    it is you loosing one while driving and not knowing it until you are at your destination.....that is our concern
    @RodStRace covered it and....
    with the heal of your hand, at the edge of the cover so as not to distort it....
     
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  5. Tim
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    Exactly! I know a lot of guys with back up wheel covers for just that reason!

    I’ve seen people put a little wire leash on them but I’d rather it get pitched to the ditch than bang around the side of my car getting beat to hell when it pops off
     
  6. Six Ball
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    I have 15" Olds caps on my pickup. 3 fit fine. The spring clips on the other is are a little different and it is a bitch to get on. Tens of thousands of miles on freeways and dirt roads and I'v never lost one. The only hubcap I've ever lost in 65 years was a screw on Moon. It went out into a corn field in Texas and looked like a UFO!

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  7. J.Ukrop
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    Thanks for the wheelcover advice, guys! No big updates from the 5R bus this morning, but here’s a little comparison between the reproduction axle nuts and the original Ford components. IMG_0801.jpeg
     
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    Man that’s waaaaay off!
     
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    Re: Parts. Old is Gold.
    Your rod is becoming rad. Thanks for these posts along the way.
     
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    The 15/16" hex were used pre-war, the 1-1/4" hex were post war and became popular with hot rodders, as they were heavy duty. I use them just because.
     
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    I have the 15/16” on my ‘40 rear. I bought new felts and one new washer (missing)
     
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    Joey, those are reminiscent of the old EELCO racing nuts, back in the 50’s. This is a photo of an original pair. They were used for track and drag cars, for the extra safety. If you choose to run them, make sure they are 18 thread pitch, check them first before installing…..
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  13. Six Ball
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    I've never seen one of those. :confused:
     
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    Yeeeaah those are some big nuts. Of all the old banjos I have laying around now I'm sure none of them have nuts like that & there are a couple I know haven't been messed with. They look bad ass though.
     
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    The chrome "big nuts" on my 5w...

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    Plus the 3 different varieties Ive seen.

    Far right, Model A up to 34 I think

    Middle 35-41 or 42

    left are 42 or maybe 46-48
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  16. J.Ukrop
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    Woah, I didn't know Eelco made nuts. I've been an Eelco fan ever since learning about them in TRJ #23. Thanks for the additional history!

    Wow, now that is perfect. They look great in chrome!
     
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    Thank you! I never intended to use so many vintage parts, but it seems like they just so happen to be the best ones.
     
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    It's Sunday night here in San Francisco and the fog has rolled in, blanketing the city in a cool, gray mist. Off in the distance, the fog horn echoes out into the darkness. I've shut down the garage for the night, so it's time for a recap.
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    On Thursday, I broke out my new stepped bit and got to work on the dash panel.
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    After much thought, I found the perfect spot for my NOS chrome starter button compliments of @Hitchhiker. I have a new headlight switch on the way, so I'll share the photo of the full panel once I have it installed.
     
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    On Saturday morning, my alarm sounded at 5 a.m. and I made my way up to Petaluma for the Northern California Roadster Run. I can't believe it has already been a year since the last one. Where does the time go?
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    I didn't shoot too much, but it was great to see everyone at Twin Oaks prior to the run.
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    As much as I wanted to tag along as a navigator this year, I knew I had a car to build. Before I returned to the city, I spent the morning at David's hanging out and asking many questions about everything from bleeding brakes to fuel line specs. It felt great to be back at my favorite hot rod shop in the world.
     
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    Two more stops in Petaluma.

    First, breakfast feat. TRJ.
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    Second, I picked up my essential oils at the local auto parts store.
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    Last photo for the night. I'll share more about brakes, neighbors, and other happenings tomorrow IMG_0864.jpg
     
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    Hallie's for breakfast?

    Looking great, Joey! I've got next year's roadster run in my sights...
     
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    which oils did you choose for the trans and QC? I see the DOT4 brake fluid.
     
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    I went to Petaluma Brunch Station. All that hot roddin' was making me hungry for some flapjacks.

    I've said "next year" for the past two years. Next year is our year.

    I need to check when I go back down to the garage, but I went with Royal Purple for the QC and Sta-Lube for the transmission. Exact weights and measures to follow.
     
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    Just got in from the garage and have enough time for a quick update.

    On Sunday, I dedicated much of the morning to the roadster project. During my time at the shop, David gave me some great advice about order of operations as far as the brakes were concerned. Before I could even think about bleeding them, I had to install all the drums and torque everything to spec.

    As I have mentioned on this thread, that last part made me anxious. By this stage of the game, many of you on here know me, either through this thread or out in the real world. I'm not a nervous person by nature, but I knew I had to be extra careful with these axle nuts. David showed me some tips for cleaning up the threads, and Justin lent me his high-torque torque wrench. "Nothing left but to do it," I said, carefully applying pressure to the wrench. Click. Increase torque. Click. Increase. I began to sweat. Off came the sweatshirt. Increase. Click. Castle almost aligned. Click. We're in. Cotter pin set. Aaand exhale.
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    To say I was relieved was an understatement. I took a step back and prepared to approach the other side. IMG_0872.jpg
    And as I pulled the drum off, I was greeted by this unsavory sight. My new, made in the U.S.A. dust boot had cracked. Upon further inspection, it was only on the outside. But still, I rebuilt the brakes last March. A fresh one is en route and should be arriving tomorrow. I'm hoping I can pull off the swap without too much disassembly. I guess we'll see!
     
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    Over the weekend, I also torqued and cottered all of my front spindle hardware. I wanted to grease the bearings and finalize the spindle nuts, but I realized I'm missing the seals. All Ford hooked it up, and I have a trio of them en route too. IMG_0866.jpg
    Not tightened or cotter pinned, but yes, I did install chrome castle nuts on the tie rod. If you can't have fun, why even build a car?
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    Speaking of fun, a new neighbor's parents saw me wrenching and came over to see what was going on. Her mom loved the car, and I told her to try it out. She said she'll be coming back to check on progress!
     
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    Other Odds'n Ends
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    Enjoying the view as I prepped the rear seat mount.
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    Tonight, I dedicated 30 minutes to the starter solenoid installation and battery cable measurements. Vintage hardware from my recent estate sale haul was used.
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    That's all for tonight. Who remembers when I made that stainless heater block off plate? And does anyone know what the "Z" stands for?
     
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    Looking good Joey....it all has to be done and you are getting it step by step....Z, isn't that the last step?...you are out of sequence....
    ...and I like to use star lock washers on the electrical cable connector to the mechanical fastener
    Carry on!
     
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    Regarding that cracked dust seal on the brake cylinder I have noticed that a lot of new rubber seals and boots made today crack like that in no time.
    Must be very poor rubber quality these days.
     

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