How come all the great car magazines were forced off the market and newsstands and out of our mailboxes. I wanna kick some publishing ass over this ^%$=up!!!!!!!!!! I knew when it did but damn me, if ever figured out these two imbecilic reasons. (~!@#$% idiots)
The internet is GREAT for many things hot rod oriented...but magazine survival wasn't one of those things.
1. Take any point you want a long time back. Take the price of a mag at that time. Put it into your favorite inflation calculator. They were required to keep the price lower. 2. Pressure from other media (that thing you are asking the question on is the big one) on current events, advertising, builds and niche info. 3. With success comes a widening of focus. Anything from gokarts and models to vans and pro touring. 4. Pressure from advertisers caused the editorial to become part of the sales (Chassis Buyer's Guide being a 3rd of the mag, suspiciously the same Co.s that advertise). 5. Losing long time readers (how many budget SBC builds can you offer, or aging out) and trying to appeal at the same time to new readers (What Those Numbers On the Tire Mean!).
So let me take a stab at what you both above are getting at ??????????????. ................................................................................................ Its progress stupid, progress. Blame Bill Gates, Paul, Allen and the hundreds of millions of their prodigies/geniuses that changed the world and society along with the real fool,(and may I say IDIOT) who pushed and created the cell phone? OKAY I stretched that just a bit but I got in my major bitchs anyway. Wait there's more. Ryan surely had no idea he was replacing, Hot Rod, Car Craft. Rodding & Restyling, Rod & Custom, etc. when creating the H.A.M.B. but that is where we are?? I like the hell out of his creation, BUT sitting down in my man cave, or by my fireplace by a fire with my favorite adult drink and the current monthly copy of R&C beats hellout of looking a glearing screen for hours! Well I suposse I' not making much sence to the major portion of you much younger HAMBERS, so I'll just give it up. How old Am I? I'll be attending my 79th Class reunion this Sunday. What wheels did drive to school my Senior year. A Very nice modern 1947 Kaiser moordoor. Google these beauties. They looked just awsome.
Larry I agree with your thoughts on the old magazines, I love to sit in my recliner and read. I love the HAMB and visit almost daily. I just wish we had the mags in addition to this sight. Flipping through a magazine is on a different emotional plane that I’m not smart enough to explain. One of my plans is to buy HR, PHR and other magazines starting from day one and read them all. Maybe purchase 12 or 24 at a time and sell or trade for the next set. I recently did this with some old TV shows Perry Mason, Andy Griffith, Barney Miller. Much better shows than the newer stuff IMO. I figure if I start reading the old mags from day one, I may finish before my expiration date. Larry you know as well as I do the only constant in life is change. Wishing you a wonderful day Dan
There was a time, when telephones were strictly an item that was connected to a land line, and it stayed inside of the house, at that time there was a long phone cord you could purchase, that allowed you to take the hand set, into another room, but that was about it. During that same time period, there were things known as pay telephone booths, and they all had, or did have a big phone book in them. The phone book was rarely left in tact, it suffered the revenges of weather, and the occasional drunk that was pissed off and tore it to shreds, etc, etc, etc . Now a days, its virtually impossible to find a yellow pages phone book that is current, because with the advent of the Smartphone, there isn't any need for a yellow pages phone book, unless you find one that is being used to prop up a leg on an unbalanced chair leg or bench. I have thrown many an out of date Yellow pages phone book in the trash, now a days when I want to decorate some of my packages, it would have been great to use a few pages out of the yellow pages to use as decoration, along the lines of being a totally creative prankster, with evidence of the way it used to be a long time ago! They just aren't printed or published anymore. And for good reason. As much as I always loved magazines of all topics, so many of them are not printed anymore because of cost, and a lot of other parameters that have contributed to their demise! I wished I would have saved all of the MAD Magazines I bought as a kid.
Blackberry & what ever Apple made before I Phone & Tablet was start of this around 2005 ish Even paying bills 95% can not do In person, even Making appointments ,
And nobody has mentioned the fact that the cost of Paper, Ink, Postage, Design, Printing,Advertising, ETC. all connected to the production of a magazine has skyrocketed in price in the last few years. And sadly all to produce a mostly disposable product....I hate to admit.
No. Ryan created a site that caters to a fairly narrow focus, one that was not addressed by the publications you mentioned. Hot Rod is still going. Car Craft info is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Craft On December 9, 2019, MotorTrend publisher TEN Publishing announced that they will cease publishing of Car Craft, alongside 18 other magazines.[3] March 2020 was the final issue of the magazine. You can click on the link and see the final cover. It's has no HAMB info. Did not compete. Rodding & Restyling was gone in the HAMB era. It covered the same thing, when it was current. Can't blame Ryan for that one! https://nitroactive.net/collections/rodding-and-re-styling-magazine Rod & Custom Ryan didn't kill it the first time or in the time when they were both running. https://www.customcarchronicle.com/news-flash/end-rc-magazine/ If you are going to shake your fist at the clouds, https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/old-man-yells-at-cloud at least get the facts close. Otherwise we will discount your rants as feeble dementia. I also liked reading publications focused on my interests, usually written by a handful of like minded people who did the work, researched and proof read it before publishing. What we are conversing on (HAMB) lacks some of that, but also gives more people who wouldn't be heard a voice, for good and bad. It's also immediate. You can wait 6-8 weeks for the letter back, if you want the answer to a question.
Let's look at this prattle just a bit. "If you are going to shake your fist at the clouds." I of course realize this has no literal meaning. How ever when I do speak to heaven, it is to a power greater than portrayed in the comics shown. On December 9, 2019, MotorTrend publisher TEN Publishing announced that they will cease publishing of Car Craft, alongside 18 other magazines.[3] March 2020 was the final issue of the magazine. ....................................................................................................................................................................... My Put 34Larry Coming from the ranks of manufacturing engineering & being so deep into our world, it concerned me deeply what the feds were cooking up for the internal combustion engine. I tried to keep up with all the periodicals of the times and the latest scuttlebutt concerning our world of performance cars. It was no secret that support journalism of our cherished hobby was frowned upon by our global warming elected leadership. You can click on the link and see the final cover. It's has no HAMB info. Did not compete. Rodding & Restyling was gone in the HAMB era. It covered the same thing, when it was current. Can't blame Ryan for that one! ................................................................................................................................................. What mkes you think I' blaming Rayn for anything? I'M overjoyed and thankful AS ALL GETOUT FOR RAYANS CREATION. https://nitroactive.net/collections/rodding-and-re-styling-magazine Rod & Custom Ryan didn't kill it the first time or in the time when they were both running. Well I've again butchered up a response, mostly fighting a malfunctioning computer. Oh yes something else nasty was said about proof reading. Try getting off a sensible post of prime impotence to yourself, with a Demetia stricken wife, her care taker being AWOL (no phone call why), and see how you handle it Dig most of you guys one not so much
Changing of the Guard? Today's youth have mostly abandoned the auto; consider how many you may personally know that prefer the latest I Phone to literally even getting a driver's license?! Inflation, not enough shop classes or elders taking youth under their wings to learn rodding basics.... I question how silly this may sound, but how long will/can the hobby of rodding and customizing spread and continue with so few magazines in the US printed to spread enthusiasm or share ideas? Not everyone can travel to the Autorama's, or Roadster Shows across this nation, except by these damned device's so currently making print media obsolete. I almost consider these days a "new" Malaise era, with just Mustang and Corvette being the factory muscle alone, and consider how many pickup trucks/ SUV's outnumber sedans, wagons..etc...
Hey @34Larry Just a tip from a fellow, 72 year old geezer, always hit spell check before sending, and always do at least a couple of proof reads before hitting the send button as well ! There is a vast difference between the spelling of "RYAN" and "RAYN" Thus end's today lesson ! Thanks from Dennis.
I always had trouble with spelling, looks like I'll go out that way. Engineers can be notorious for their lack in doing so.
I love it. And now me thinks it is past time I get away from this boob tube for a good long break. After being here, announcing the selling of my cherished '34 coupe after 30 years, back to the Berg family, (Eirik Berg specifically), and posting pics of the sale with my Rivi and then the frame in the background, then being asked to create a thread of the rivi and now my justified ignorance ............I' m tired
Larry https://barrypopik.com/blog/never_talk_about_religion_or_politics_etiquette_rule You hit 'em both. Good going. I quoted the exact part where you posted about Ryan "replacing" your mags. Don't give a rat's backside if you like me. I am sorry about your wife.
With the invention and implementation of AI, you might see a revival of printed media and texts. Those who control the internet through the use of their AI, have been slowly reshaping history. Not so much the history of our hobby, at least not yet. But if you google facts that you know were true, you will frequently find them rewritten with artificial facts littering the history of. If you didn’t live it how would you know it’s true? It will only get worse. Once an article is printed, it is actually safe as long as someone has a copy.
Orwell's 1984 talked about rewriting history. Yep, I can see a day when print media will be banned. That's why I still buy old magazines.
Guys, a few weeks ago I needed to get some info regards jetting my carb. I posted a question on one of my model-dedicated FB groups in the morning (that's morning in the EU) and by the time I came back from work the US members posted the answer. Way back then before the internet this would have been a royal PITA, scouring mags (if I could find them) in the hope someone touched on the question even if vaguely. Or send a letter to the mag's technical guru and hope it would get published. WEEKS if not months of waiting. Nuff said.
The internet is a vast wealth of knowledge and information. The question is how do you verify the validity of the information you receive. In the example cited above you reached out to people you trusted and accepted their responses as accurate. Search for information you don’t already have a source for and let me know how you verify the answers you receive and if they were accurate or not. If you use a search engine, you will receive a response first and foremost from someone who has paid to promote their answer. As AI continues to evolve the truth will become more and more subjective. Way back the news showed both sides of the story and you were left to form your own conclusions. Now they tell you the conclusion before they present the alleged facts and magically the facts they present support exactly what they believe. Those stories are then logged on the internet as fact and used to prove a particular view. Heaven help us if that view ever starts targeting hot rods as bad. But for now, gather data you need and print the answers. I have searched for newspaper articles that I have a hard copy of and the story has all but vanished. Eventually the truth bending will affect our hobby.
Well for sure, and I would not have been on that FB group if I did not trust the accumulated knowledge of the other members. You of course have to use common sense and logic when you look at the responses. AI is as things stand not very useful other than a clever database and a source of 1st reference, and I will always continue to communicate with persons first and foremost and do my own research. My point was about what killed the mags. Getting info quick was one, but even if you look into things like history articles there was only so much a mag could have published without becoming a book, no such limit on the 'net.
Funny enough, I vividly recall the first day of grade 6 social studies, teacher had us go through the “new text books “ new to us anyway, already 5 years old, and had us make alterations and strike out incorrect passages in these books, imagine that revelation on a young mind , books intended to educate with incorrect information about world events in print.
The good news about the internet, is that anyone may post! The bad news about the internet, is that anyone may post! The opposite of AI (artificial intelligence) is AS (artificial stupidity)! Jon
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