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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by trevorsworth, Dec 27, 2024.

  1. trevorsworth
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    Planning to show this car some love in the next couple weeks. She has been resting out of the weather in my shop but I haven't done anything since bringing her over.

    I know the engine will run, the gas tank is good, the radiator holds pressure, the transmission shifts, and I have a nice interior, so it seems like the to-do list is pretty short, and mainly involves paint and wiring. The biggest obstacle: I need to get this rear end located - so that's item 1.

    How can I be sure I've got the pinion angle right before I burn the spring pads in? I have no idea how to measure this. I understand the transmission output and pinion need to be on the same plane... but I'm not sure how to take that measurement or apply it to a finished product.
     
  2. Tim
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    Off the top of my head I would you could take the tail angle at either a flat top section on the trans or the carb base. Need a little research there what aftermarket flathead serious. I know small block Chevys if the carb pad is level the tail is point down 3 deg

    on the rear axle I bet you could stick a magnetic angle finder across the U joint yoke with it orientated vertically. With out the joint in it obviously.

    that make since?
     
  3. RodStRace
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    @trevorsworth, You may have missed the S#!t storms this question starts over the years. :eek:

    Are you going back to the OE cross spring, arms and axle, adapting the parallel rear springs and another axle?
    Do you have ride height fairly dialed in?
    This will make a big difference to how to attack it.
     
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  4. trevorsworth
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    I'm going to keep what Sid did as much as possible which, today, means keeping the 3-spring setup. I see no problems with the parallel spring configuration as he had it. The rear that's in it probably isn't what he had in it when it was last on the track - although there's no way to know for sure.

    My interpretation of the information available to me is that this rear end came out of his '39 Dodge truck which may or may not have been a bit of a hot rod itself. That truck was wrecked in the early to mid 60s, as Guy remembers the night it happened. By this point the coupe was already up on blocks. My guess is at some point in the intervening years Sid started messing with it, maybe mocked up the Dodge rear to see if it would work to get the car moving again, and then got busy on something else and left it alone. No way he sent this car down the track with slicks and an open rear... that just doesn't make sense... especially given I have a photo of these slicks on the car, yet I had to buy & modify an adapter to get them to bolt to that diff.

    ANYWAY, I have two F1 banjos that will suit the car fine for street driving, but someone has cut the parallel spring perches off both, so I have to undo that. I have the option of using these "adjustable" bolt-on perches. These cost more and you are still supposed to weld them once you get them where you want them. I think that using those would let me bolt the wheels with the slicks to the diff, roll it under the car and get everything set up exactly as it would be sitting, tweak the pinion angle until it's right, and weld 'em in. But they aren't really made with the tapered tube in mind and they sure are expensive.
     
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  5. RodStRace
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    This is why I asked what the plan is.
    If it's the 48 open axle on the current parallel springs, get everything lined up and look up how to measure angles. Prepare to see grown men argue!
    BUT, if you are planning on blowing the bank on a QC, note the pinion is lower, so it would change things.

    EDIT: You posted while I typed this up. So open 48, leafs and you just need perches for a tapered housing. Check the hardcore rod shops, someone should be able to come up with something without a full on fab from scratch. Even then, it's box tubing with the right width, cut to work.
     
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  6. trevorsworth
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    If the pinion angle gets wildly thrown off by a QC center down the line I'll know how to do it the second time. :D That's an expense for future Trevor to worry about. Today Trevor has this to work with.
     
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  7. RMONTY
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    I'll come help.....say when! thumb_im-your-huckleberry-say-when-memecrunch-co-im-your-huckleberry-50210239.png
     
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  8. Nailhead A-V8
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    Thanks for bringing this up ...me too besides needing to use an inclinometer
     
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  9. rjgideon
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    If you have an iPhone, you should have the "Measure" app that has a really good digital level on there. Not sure if there is a similar app for Android, but I assume there is.
     
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  10. trevorsworth
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    IMG_2485.jpeg

    Got my hands on a probably 46 rear with the spring pads still on it. Only thing is... they seem to be upside down. Can I just unbolt them and rotate the axle bells 180 degrees? I can't imagine any reason why not.
     
  11. MojoRacing
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    Is that a second one?
     
  12. trevorsworth
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    A third one actually lol but this will be the one I actually use for this car. The gear ratio in this one should be friendlier to the flathead than the others. The other two have had the pads hacked off and been set up for transverse springs. I will use one of the others in a future car behind this Hemi I picked up.

    I still don't have an electricity supply in the shop that will run a welder (that I'd trust for something like this), so been kind of stalled with no way to weld spring pads to the other two. I should be able to get this rear end in this weekend and maybe we can finish getting the car in primer soon with it able to roll around.

    Really, ignoring bodywork, all I'd need to yard drive it from there is a drive shaft and to mount the radiator. Brakes shouldn't be much trouble. Weird feeling, being so close. I'm tempted to pull it out of the garage and put it under the carport so I have a little more room to work around it.
     
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  13. MojoRacing
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    Dang, you're gathering quite the stock pile of parts with a quickness there my man!
     
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  14. trevorsworth
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    Oh the bells aren't upside down, the diff just mounts under the springs on that year truck. That makes sense... anyway I guess I can just flip them to put them above the springs.
     
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  15. Outback
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    Just keep an eye on the backlash on the pinion. Will bolt up
     
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  16. duecesteve
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    Is that a helmet hanging on the steering wheel and a big ass tach ?
     

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