I bought a Hurst Competition Plus shifter setup and couldn't find any information about the parts before purchasing aside from the shifter itself and the mounting plate. Internet searches and a search of the forum turn up no info on the rod and lever part numbers, and I can't find an old parts catalog with these numbers. I also can't find any photos with similar rods that have sweeping bends versus the common sharper breaks. I haven't mocked it up on my Muncie yet, but one reason I'd like to identify it is because the 3-4 lever is missing and I need to get the correct one. If anyone has a catalog or the knowledge and can help me out, I'd appreciate it. Here's what I have: Shifter: 3915401C Mounting plate: 2223 (correct for a Muncie/T10) 1-2 rod: 4100141 3-4 rod: 4100142 Reverse rod: 410014[3?] The last digit is mangled but looks like a 3, 6, or 8. With the other rods ending with 1 and 2, I****ume the reverse rod is 3. 1-2 lever: 41126 3-4 lever: I don't have this lever Reverse lever: 41140
I have a book with all the numbers, I can look them up later tomorrow, if no one steps up... but I can tell you ,those rods are not for any Muncie I have seen. The mount is right for most Muncies.
Thanks, that would be great. I looked up the popular transmissions I could think of that might use a Comp Plus (A833, Toploader, Saginaw, Muncie, BW T/ST10, etc.) and can't find any photos showing the exact same linkage as what I have. The closest I found to the general shape is for a Muncie Corvette, but the bends aren't as radiused. I'm wondering if someone modified the rods, but hopefully your book will tell us what's what.
sometimes when guys have the wrong shifter installation kit, and the rods are too long, they bend them into an S shape to shorten them. Might be what's going on here?
Holley Performance has rebuild kits and linkage for the shifter. Best prices are on eBay but are expensive.
I agree with squirrel, it looks like someone bent those arms. I have never seen any Hurst Comp. Plus shifters with arms that look like that. But what do I know?
Yeah, two of the three rods are a mess, I'd pony up for the installation kit, yes, they ain't cheap, but I think your approach is a bit backwards at this point, if you aren't locked in to a particular application kit needing to clear things like a console, etc, two CRITICAL factors are which tailhousing you have and which style shift shafts come out of the side cover. The 1964-68 style shift shaft uses a 5/16" nut on a stud and 69 up used a 3/8" bolt, each style requires a specific # lever, the rods can interchange but the tailhousing can/will determine rod length, some tailhousings have the speedometer hookup on the driver side which requires specifically bent rods to clear the speedometer cable attachment. There (may be) two different sets of threaded bosses cast into the tailhousing, the forward set will take a shorter rod set of course, the OEM body application generally dictates which style tailhousing was used, in hot rod applications it is fairly flexible.
Every time I tried to buy parts especially from Hurst it was***** shoot at best so I bought “junkers” at swap meets for them. If MCjim has a book to identify rods, plates, etc and can help that’s great. I have done my best never to bend any rod but many don’t have my patience.
Oops, went to the ball game yesterday and did not get back till late...I will get to it directly this afternoon. stay tuned.
My $0.01 is that some guys trash the stock and aftermarket shift rods and build larger diameter, stiffer rods that won't flex (appreciably) in rugged use.
I'm sure folks are tired of seeing this...........oh well! This is my 67 Novas' Muncie four speed, note the required forward shifter mount location. No if, ands or buts, this combo is a requirement, just thought I'd show these for reference. No speedo cable to interfere with shifter rods either. OP might be willing to endure the monkey motion required to save some money, not me. Obviously others have struggled with the wrong parts. Bet the shift pattern was fun getting used to!
Go to www.shifterdoc.com You should be able to find info He sells everything Hurst shifter stuff He has an eBay store also
The shifter body is used in several applications from full size '60s Fords to Chevy pickup truck with car 4 speeds, along with G body El Caminos and more, depending on which lever and rods etc. are used...I am not looking all of them up. The other numbers, other than the mount plate, do not show up as any Hurst number in my book. As others have suggested, get the correct install kit for whatever you are doing, it may cost some cash, but most likely save you a lot of grief. Buena suerte!
The rod #4100141 was used in Hurst install kits for ‘58-‘59 chevys and early ‘60’s corvettes with T-10 trans
Not sure how you arrived at this, I couldn't remember, so I looked it up. https://www.google.com/search?clien...HROKJtoQBSgAegQIDRAB&biw=1280&bih=800&dpr=1.5
Here is a good quote from the thread in the above link. "I have been down this rabbit hole before. Bottom line - sell what ever you don't need and obtain the correct pieces. Just a headache trying to mutt these things together just to end up doing it all over with the right parts". From Here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forum.../4706375-muncie-vs-t10-shifter-confusion.html
Well, having found my Muncie leaking lube in the trunk of my Nova, thought hey, I can use those leftover pieces of bent tubing.
I'll leave Google search to the experts. I arrived at my comment by placing the plate against my 1967 M21, and it fit, and up against my 1966 T10, and it fit.
Thanks for the info on the 4100141 and Shifterdoc. I was planning on purchasing the missing lever from him and any other parts I need. From what I found, the linkage looks most similar to early Corvette T10 linkage, likely with someone doing some bending as I suspected in my earlier post. I'll keep digging to see if I can't find a reference for the 142 and 143 rods.
[QUOTE="DDDenny, post: 15690133, member: 260805" View attachment 6510730 Bet the shift pattern was fun getting used to![/QUOTE] That is the correct linkage for a Tex T101 with third gear installed as an overdrive. It’s what I have in the avatar Roadster..
That is the correct linkage for a Tex T101 with third gear installed as an overdrive. It’s what I have in the avatar Roadster..[/QUOTE] Ah So, me so stupid!
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