George, when you say 55-58 you say use the 392 cross over. But was not the 392 at 57-58 ? The 354 I look at today was 1 piece pump and as the 354 has shorter deck than the 392 this 392 crossover cant fit a 354, right ? If I get that 354 I will try check a CSB pump and I guess I has to cut off the std pump cross over. But maybe I can use the std 354 pump aswell in a 32 frame, but I refuse a electric fan. But std get me the mech fuelpump.
No. You can use the 392 W/P & cross over on the '55 331, '56 354 and of course, the 392. Or you can use the 4 leg W/P on the 392. The 392 heads were modified by the factory so that you can use the low deck intake & W/P on it.
Ah, I got it. Look at this 32 3W with std valve covers, this is a Swedes car in California, but what engine is it, I don’t see the rib of the front of the head so maybe a 354, but its the 392 crossover. I don’t know him ( cant ask ) but he got it there use the std pump/fan. Se picture of the rib on head ( only 392 ) The ribbed valve cover 392 is in a 32 roadster and my buddy and he told me the firewall is little modify and was using the Chevy BB pump and a fan ( still tight ) The next one is also a buddy in 32 roadster and a 392 and he did not modify the firewall and use the std pump, but he cant install the radiator ! -So my question is, how was it done on the 3W with the std valve covers ? Either way a 392 or a 354 he did use the std pump. Maybe engine was moved back but I cant see that on firewall.
George, I was at another buddy to me and he has 3 of the 392, and he thought the crossover for the 392 would not fit the 354. I measure a crossover on the lower end bolt holes CC and it was ca 10.78". He had several 392 waterpumps and I could have one for free to the 354 if I get that ( but he mean it will not fit ) but I still look for a 392 deal and has many options but no price on thoose. The 354 is decent in price and little over 2K, complete engine.
I know the long-bell 331 hemis are the least desirable but with a little effort, they can be made into a pretty nice machine. I have had my '52 331 since high school in '64. Over the years I have 1) bored it 1/8" over, installed a set of 354 pistons and made it a 354. Balanced of course. 2) modified a 354 4bbl intake manifold to hold a thermostat and fit a Holley 3bbl carb. 3) moved the starter to the passenger side to make room for a Corvair steering gear on my '36 Willys coupe. 4)adapted 354 truck heads. These are the best kept secret in the hemi world! They have the big valves and big ports of the bigger engines, hardened valve seats AND no exhaust crossover Siameze inner ports so headers work without welding the crossover. Big plus for the 331 is these heads don't have the water crossover thermostat ports. Only 'negative' is the manifold heater is hot water, not exhaust and the port is very tall so isn't covered by the intake manifold flange. This is easily fixed by welding the port shorter.
Willys36, I shore don't sneze at a 331. Classic. But I look for a 392 but as I has a nice deal for a good core 354. The main thing I noted today is headers is possible in a 32 Ford frame but as starter is on the driverside it will conflict with the steering box. So a question is, how is the swith to the pssanger side done ? Then I really wonder, the red 32 3W I showed above, I'll just note the lower water end is at left side but a 392 is to the right side, so what engine is this ? A 'mystory' waterpump..
The 392 W/P will bolt right on unless it's a solid front truck style heads, get a 392 crossover & your 354 would be ready to go & you can tell them it's a 392! As far as overbore do as little as possible, after a sonic check. The "bore it to 354" is a max overbore if no coreshift, personally I like my walls as thick as possible. 392s cant be bore a lot having thinner walls. In theory the 331 & 354 could go .125 but unless you're racing you probably wouldn't notice.
George, Yes my buddy is wrong on the crossover. If I get the 354 and if its std I go max 30 over. If I get a 392 and its std I hone and custom pistons to fit the cyl dia. -But what engine has the red 32 3W I showed as I cant figure out from any pictures what engine or pumps it has.
If talking about the one with the 4X2 intake it looks odd, maybe the photo is flopped? Haven't used the OEM 392 W/P. The 331/354 pump bolts together from the back, don't know on 392. The truck/Ind 331/354 ones bolt into the timing cover but that doesn't look right for that either. Lower radiator hose is usually on drivers side. On the 354 with sonic check you can go up to .125 over, 4" standard 392 pistons. Wear will determine. My 1st 331 had to go .030, the current 331 is .060.
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