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1930s Era Champ Car - new project

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER, Nov 20, 2007.

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Another question: Posi or non-posi?

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  1. Posi for two-wheel traction

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  2. No Posi for better handling in the corners.

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  1. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I am about half way done with painting the chassis pieces. Tedious.
    Here is a sample part in single stage acrylic enamel with the finished color. Glossy, not glassy.
    paint 29.JPG
     
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  2. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    The beautiful painting weather we are having continues, making for more conducive painting in my driveway. Today I did the big chunk - the frame - along with other bits. I also painted inside the lightening holes in the front axle black by hand.

    A couple of observations I learned while doing the chassis painting:
    The borrowed frame rotisserie made painting the frame so much easier than wrangling it around on the floor or jack stands. Thank you to my buddy Greg G for the loan of the rotisserie.
    Instead of buying graduated paint mixing cups, I went to Gordon Foods and bought some simillarly sized unmarked polypropylene cups in bulk. Using my third-grade knowledge of proportionality I put marks on the cup for paint, reducer, and hardener. Graduated paint containers are pricey. I bought a stack of 25 food cups for the price of a couple of graduated paint mixing cups. Before using them I tested one filled with reducer overnight and another with paint/reducer/hardener to be sure there would be no interaction between paint and container. No problem.

    The rear axle assembly remains to be painted. Since the backing plates are black I'm thinking the axle will be black with the rear springs done in Frenchtown Grey.

    Also looming in the future is an engine / transmission rebuild in my race car and other home maintenance issues, further slowing progress.

    paint 30.JPG paint 31.JPG paint 32.JPG paint 33.JPG
     
  3. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Its raining today. I stayed indoors and began assembly of the front spring. The spring slider pads had some flash on the outside edge. I remember my plastic model building days and how I did not like to leave plastic flash on the parts. As I recall, Revell kits were pretty good at not having lots of flash and mold mismatch. Monogram seemed to be the worst of the big guys. Anyhoo, I shaved the OD down before knocking them in place. Assembling the leaves was stressful as there is a lot of potential energy built up.

    Respect

    It took a ton of pressure to completely press the stack together. That one center 5/16 bolt makes me nervous so I put a temporary retaining plate over the middle.
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  4. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    A viewer on a different site sent me a photoshopped image of my cah. I like it except he couldn't get AI to reverse the flames.
    I suppose they would look good if I was backing it into the wall... yikes.

    Photoshopped 1.jpg

    And Dayton wires with knockoffs. It needs wires.
     
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  5. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Now we're talkin' .
    Fixed the wheels and tires.

    Thanks Brett, This inspires me onward.
    Photoshopped 2.jpg
     
  6. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Backing it into the turns… blows the flames away.
     
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  7. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I took the weekend off from working on the champ car to go drag racing. I finished up a rather mediocre racing season with a win in the Nostalgia Outlaw Comp eliminator. I cropped off the non-HAMB friendly disc wheels to post this winners circle photo. Now the race cars get winterized and one gets an engine rebuild (after seven racing years).
    10 11 25 milan win HAMB.jpg
     
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  8. Wow,that looks great! Keep 'er going!:)
     
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  9. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    7 years between freshen ups. Guess 6 in a row is the way to go…
     
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  10. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    I call the Ford 300 six "The Best Kept Secret in Drag Racing"

     

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  11. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    The rear axle got de-rustified and nerf bar blanks were measured, bent and fitted.
     
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  12. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Oops - I forgot to post the pic.
    rear axle 01.JPG
     
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  13. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Work continues on the nerf bar fab.
    rear axle 02.JPG

    I want to share an idea with you. I have been a
    reuse
    repurpose
    recycle
    guy since forever. That includes my car stuff. I like making things from broken or discarded stuff. Case in point - A friend threw this electric impact wrench in the trash because the planetary gearset was all torn up. I asked him if I could have it and took the motor / drive apart. It has a shunt wound motor similar to a grinder, making lots of revs. I made an arbor to hold small grinding wheels and discovered it makes a great tool for making fish-mouthed tubing ends. Look closely at the motor housing. The red end can be turned to change the direction of the grinding wheel. That means however which way you are grinding you can turn the motor so the sparks are always flying away from you! Not in your face. WooHoo! It also works to dress welds in tight places like inside a chassis.
    impact grinder 1.JPG impact grinder 2.JPG impact grinder 3.JPG
     
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  14. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Great idea and reuse. You could even attach drum sanders for the final little bit of fettling that a fishmouth always seems to need. I mount them in the drill press, but it gets pretty heavy holding a long piece of tubing at weird angles and massaging the fit.
     
  15. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Another advantage of this little beauty is the momentary trigger switch, allowing for minute bursts of grinding power for precise metal removal. After using this tool I am surprised a commercial version with these features does not already exist for metal fabricators.
     
  16. Dave G in Gansevoort
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    Looks like you have a design for a patent! We’re all witnesses to the idea and prototype proof of concept and a date stamp. You could become a millionaire, or a thousandaire with your idea…
     
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  17. Tim
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    Man I havnt looked at this thread in years and I’ve really been missing out! WOW!
     
  18. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Welcome back Tim. Let's see this baby through to completion...
    and hot laps...
    and a cruise night or two.

    I painted the rear axle. I was just going to brush the spots that would be hard to hit with a spray gun, but once on a roll with the paint brush I just went ahead and painted the entire houising with a disposable brush. I learned the best way to get rid of brush marks is to apply a very thin light first coat and let it set up a little bit. After it had dried a little, going over the area with a heavier second coat will let the acrylic enamel paint grab hold and flow out.

    rear axle 03.JPG rear axle 04.JPG

    Once the housing had dried overnight I decided to face off the QC cover. The Richmond logo just looked too new so off it came. Once under the mill I decided to face off the tops of the fins.
    Do you think the mag housing would look good painted black also, leaving just the milled surface unpainted?

    BTW, here's another "tech tip/ party tip":
    the magnesium shavings can be used to make a sparkley campfire at your next campfire.

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  19. CoolHand
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    What am I looking at here with this rear end? I must have missed it earlier in the thread.

    Is it like a 9" or 8.8" or something like that with a faux quickchange housing grafted onto the back for the look?

    I can't imagine how you'd turn a hypoid style gearset into an actual quickchange by just adding on a set of spur gears to the back.

    Paintjob turned out nice though. And I agree that the faced and polished fins on the otherwise cast mag cover look quite good and fit the vibe of the age better as well, IMO anyway.
     
  20. THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER
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    Hi Ryan, Yes I grafted a damaged QC center section on to a Ford 9-inch axle, to achieve the classic look of a Halibrand QC, without the expense of actually having to acquire one. I am familiar with the workings of the Ford unit, having assembled several of them. I had to make budget decisions within my means too.
    Believe me, I caught flak from some purists who chided me for not going with a legit QC, in addition to other
    non-traditional features I put on the car, like a starter motor and a transmission, and 4-wheel brakes. I hope to carry off the vibe of an early champ car, but maintain the ease of driveability and serviceability of a modern hot rod.
    Mea culpa.
     

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