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Technical Torque Thrust D vs Original

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  1. HRS
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  2. bowie
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    Torque thrust original has strait spokes whereas the "D" spoke has curved spokes. Both only resemble the original issued ones.
     
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  3. rob-redm
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    These are the first re-issues Torque Thrust D's... they were bought new in the early 90's .. 90 or 91 .. These used the shank style lugs... not sure when they changed to the acorn style nut DSC02154.JPG ..
     
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  4. The early as in pre TTD use a shank style lug bolt. The new wheel uses a different center cap and a standard tapered lug nut. There is a couple other very minor things. The new come in different width than genie's. Close but not the same. I'll post up a side by side photo a little later. When the New old ones first came out I had Torque Thrust Terry up in Sedro Woolley machine a pair of the New to look as close to originals as he could. Turned out pretty good. He didn't want to do another pair for me.
    The Wizzard
     
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  5. The new 'original' TT will clear discs as will almost all current custom wheels. The original TT-D was designed for one specific car; the then-new Corvette with 4-wheel discs. Because of wheelhouse limitations on the 'Vette, the wheel was designed with the curved spokes in order to fit larger sizes. The other major change was the redesign of the rim profile on the backside to clear the caliper, which was the main reason the original TT wouldn't fit disc-brake-equipped vehicles. This rim profile design was eventually adopted by all wheel makers; by 1970 you would have been hard-pressed to find a new custom wheel that wouldn't fit discs. AR hung onto the TT-D design not because it was still needed, but because it was a unique-to-AR design and allowed them to differentiate their 5-spoke wheels from all the others.

    I've never personally considered the TT-D to be a 'traditional' wheel as it's mid-64 release date and limited fitment made its use rare until later in the decade when AR expanded it's size/offset ranges.
     
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  6. HRS
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    The curvature on the D is so slight that it is hard to see in photos, but if you look close, you can see it.
     
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  8. gnichols
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    The D is my all time favorite wheel. It looks good on everything from Checker cabs to dragsters. Too bad it is a "new" wheel. What did the very first TTO look like? Gary
     
  9. flamedabone
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    These are the repop Torq Thrust TTO straight spoke, 15X5 and they clear disks just fine.

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    You can tell the difference from the countersunk lugnuts and the large center cap pattern.

    -Abone.
     
  10. The first series TT-D were magnesium...
     
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  11. DDDenny
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    In my opinion the Halibrand five spoke is a better looking wheel then the new gen Americans, these are 16's, clears disc brakes, even late Corvette.

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  12. buzz4041
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    I agree.
     
  13. abe lugo
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    When I had Thrusts on my wagon, I got lucky and found the earlier style with the shank style lugs, and they we 15x6" which was fine on my wagon, the newer ones only have 15x7 or wider, no 6" wide.
     
  14. ALLDONE
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    you can now get 4'' and 6'' wide..
     
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  15. Black Panther
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    Nothing looks like the original. Theyre all over the place.. you just have to look for them.
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  19. bowie
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    Like I said early on in this thread, the original D wheels were a non disc brake type. They were primarily seen on the rear of 1965 A/FX drag cars,(see first pic). The second style of D wheel made to fit disc brakes, is often referred to as the trans am wheel(see second pic) IMG_0755.jpeg IMG_0258.jpeg
     
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    polished with them one on the front and new one on back you couldn't tell the differance... where they get wonky is when they go 17'' and above..
     
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  21. DDDenny
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    17"/up are the "bananna" looking wheels you mentioned earlier.
     
  22. guffey
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    1 gas 2c913868452bd3466388905fdcd145cd.jpg d spokes on the rear I didn't think I was ever going to find those when I was restoing this in the early 90's
     
  23. bowie
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    Guff, I still love that car! One of the best wheel combinations ever!
     
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  24. 1971BB427
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    I really dislike those Torq Thrust with humped spokes! I went with the TTO's and love the old school style. They clear my disc brakes fine.
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  25. Z06-LITE
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    In 1968 I ordered a new GTO with drum brakes all around. I bought 7x14 American Racing wheels, but I do not remember what model they were. The spokes were grey semi rough finish and the rims were a machine polished finished. The wheels were also new and ordered from a local Atlanta speed shop. I really liked the look on the all black hardtop.
     
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  26. Blue Moon Garage
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    Valle Grande 2.JPG American Torque Thrust Original straight spoke, cast center, machined (not polished) rims. On '29 Mod. A Tudor. 100_7592.JPG
     
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  27. 19Eddy30
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    ET 's IMG_4509.png IMG_4503.png



    OTT's newer

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    Older OTT's

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    Older OTT's

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    Modern spindle mount Americans

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    Older Can Am / Tram Am

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    Older Fenton


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    Older Cragar ? CamAm /TramAm


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  28. Z06-LITE
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    Looks like the wheels I mentioned on my '68 GTO.
     
  29. Newer T.T.'s.....2019.With early '60's M/T spinners. img_1_1764830004904.jpg
     
  30. Tickety Boo
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    Got a pair of these 15 x 7 Crager Grand Prix
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