Here's an early nailhead with a turbo. I can't remember the specs exactly, but it was being tested for production, but was too strong for the drivetrains avaliable in the early 60's.
Thanks for the info. Our "wastegate" is handled by the odd looking contraption on top of the carb.. just set the tension on the spring, and the plate will raise up and bleed off excess boost.. a 'traditional' pop off valve, if you will... Brian
Jason-- Thanks for the links, the more turbo resources I have, the better. Rotomaster has been passed around many times...so has Rajay....it will make your head spin....at one time, all of it was in Allied Signals hands, along with Garrett. Last time I checked into Rajay, it was owned by Kelly Aerospace, right down the road from us in Montgomery....funny, they also own Turbonetics. I used to call my distributor and never know if he was still selling Garrett, or Rotomaster, Aireasearch, rajay....it was wheel of fortune kinda luck to get parts not so long ago. But many of the old parts are easy to come by, and interchange between brands is usually straightforwad. ...Lucky for Brian and I, we have a wharehouse full of turbo stuff to play with for a while...but I would love to get my hands on some old rotomaster wastegates....they are kinda hard to find these days. So we are going to have a little fun for a while. ...I have seen that turbo nailhead at the GS Nationals....Buick guys are sick, they will think about turbo'ing anything...yep, we are sick. I am going to post up some pics soon, I have several prototype turbo drawings from Olds, Pontiac, Buick and even Chrysler from the mid-late 50's that are pretty cool.... --reed
...not giving anything away...just need to kill a thread every couple of months to make sure I still have the touch . Go sand on the mullet ride, we gotta paint this weekend . -rp
The motor dynoed at 720 hp with 2 AFBs - 150 more than when it was huffed with a 6-71 using a two port injection. Mutt
Carbs, blowers , early mechanical injectors. Turbos - nah! And whatever is in front should have a CLUTCH behind it.
Turbonetics owns the entire RayJay line and you can get new RayJays for around $700. Rotomaster are different, don't know who owns them right now. That is a small turbo with two A wheels in it. The one I am using is a 301EE10
The traditional subject always bothers me. And the fact that many ask for acceptance on the HAMB. Many on the HAMB refer to traditional as being "done the way is was back then." I've got no issues with that loose definition and doesn't stop me from enjoying the HAMB. From my prospective, the tradition of hot rodding is YOU building what YOU want with what YOU have. IMO... if you didn't build it your not a hot rodder.... simply a hot rod owner. With that said... I drive a twin turbo'd 1950 chevy. Some of you may have seen it at the Pig N Piston... or at the Hunnert Car Pileup with it's hood illegaly opened (Sorry to the Hunnert people...fellow HAMBer's talked me into opening it.) Is it traditional to the HAMB... NO. Is it traditional to me... Some what. It looks old, was built by me, and is a blast to drive. Not to mention how may 1950 chevys do you see with a twin turbo'd, intercooled, Gen III small bock. Anyway, a turbo V8 in a smaller car would be wicked. In my experience, if you want to drive it reliably, fuel injection is the way to go for turbo engines. If you get creative, like using a gutted carb for a throttle body, people will need to look close to tell. Good luck.
I must've come across some older info. Damn, it seems like they've been passed 'round like a $2 whore. ~Jason
If you do a search, I posted an article on my next door neighbor's little 4 banger T, that is turbo charged. It is under 4 banger T. If I knew how to link it I would. Traditional or not, it is a blast to drive and will hang with most of the v-8's in my area, big blocks included. This thing has instant boost and will haul ass! I have only put 8lbs on the thing and it is a whole lot more power than 15lbs with my blower setup. The motor is built to handle the turbo. The motor builder built another one several years ago, that dyno'ed 375hp out of a 181ci chevy motor.
The simplicity of that (and I saw the pic of it on the build site) blows me away... definitely keeping that idea in mind. I take it it handles the job effectively? Bryant
It's probably not the best way to handle it.. but yes, it does work, and the simplistic approach goes well with the type of car this is. We recently scored some boost gauges from a RAF Spitfire from an airplane restoration guy in england.. will be installing one soon and will be able to monitor the pressure more effectively. It's hard to find a boost guage that doesn't look out of place in a traditional styled build.... Brian
Twin turbo 331 Chrysler Hemi in a full fendered '37 Dodge P/U. Hope to have the chassis fab finished by this coming weekend. Cheers, Mark
Ray-jay turbos were made from the tooling used to make Corvair turbos and the "F" and "B" models were the same as Corvair turbos. The "E' was bigger. In the late 70s I ran two Corvair "B" turbins with Ray-Jay "F' compressors on my 270 GMC powered '32 Five window Ford in XX/Alt. Went 158.814 and was made illegal in new rules. If you set a record you did good. If you made them rule you out, you did very good.
aye... my (never ending) current project will be turbo'd. "traditional" or not, i don't care... dodge brothers pickup, 60s style hot rod. no idea what the engine will be yet, but if'n i was dreaming big i'd say Offy... man, a turbo'd Offy 4cyl would make me happy. and broke. so it'll likely be another motor. i've got more than a few early 60s vintage turbos, and plenty of other turbo stuff. turbos are fucking addictive. since getting into them ~12 or so years ago, i can't see building another supercharged engine for myself. my off-topic daily driver makes more HP and torque from 146 cubic inches (with lots of forced induction, and nothing actually "modern" as far as technology goes), than my last reasonably well build n/a SBC made... and unlike the linear rise in torque like supercharged motors, it all comes in at once. 3k rpm, even look at the go peddle firmly and it'll kick ya in the ass. leaving the line right at the peak of torque is no problem. now... i've posted about this here a couple times, and another forum or two.. with nary a response: my grandpa and some of his buddies (navy friends- machinist, 2 aircraft mechanics and an engineer), were building a turbo'd flathead for a bellytank. the engine ended up being run on the street in a couple different cars, with some success. he still had the turbo sitting in the basement when i was a kid, and a few pictures of the cars and motor... and lots of stories about the fun times with it. he said their biggest problems at the time was lack of traction... and when they'd get it, something would break... and heat. intake temps were high. this was in the late 50s. if this bunch of guys could have been playing around with turbos (ok, just one... all they could get their hands on/afford), i'm sure some others must have been around that time. so... available to some extent in the 50s (actually the 20s, but hey...)... on production cars in the early 60s... i can see no reason why it's non-traditional, other than it clearly not being commonly done.
Here is a little more on the Mallicoat Brothers Willys. The pictures were taken from Larry Davis's Gasser Wars book.
turbo's are 60's and forward traditional for gas car engines... for earlier, focus on belt driven, not exhaust driven i've done alot of work on turbo induction systems, and worked a bit with a company called Turbonetics.. fun stuff. -scott noteboom
This is more or less or what I am doing on my 51 F1, it's have a turbo mounted in place of the original muffler on the late model chassis / engine I am using - it also just so happens that this location is right before the cab up under the bed. I hope to have a completely invisible turbo, so that even looking under the hood you won't be able to tell it's there. I just like that you can have a turbo and have a lot of power on tap when you want to use it, and still have good economy for the rest of the time. I don't think a turbo would ever look traditional per se, but if done right - maybe.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned that GM was using turbochargers way back in the 1940s! Of course, that was on Allison V-12s... -Dave
I will since this thread is appropriate. I've always sortof avoided talking about the setup I will be running on the HAMB due to it being so FAR from being traditional. I mean I want it to look tradition, and run modern, but not fake valve cover on LS6 fake patina type crap.... Look for some pics early tomorrow.
heres my supercharger. Fits under the hood. Runs 7.50's in the 1/8 with a 4-speed. I drive it everywhere. Go for it.
OK, traditional or not, here we go. I am building this because it's what I like. I do not mean to hijack this thread, I mean to promote it, I think a turbo setup if done to look period could work, or make it out of sight ! 51 or 52 F1 (well a collection of both and some F2) 2000 Ford Explorer 5.0 All Wheel Drive chassis. The Exploders of this era were complete with EECV injection and a GT40 spec engine and made 215 hp with the ugliest set of headers you've ever seen on a production car. The body is being channeled 4 inches over the frame and has already had a 3 inch roof chop and the roof skin re-shaped (done by a friend). The turbo will be not so much hidden, more like just not on display, I think turbos are a bit ugly, but I love the benefits. I am shooting for about 350 hp to the wheels, which may seem low but nobody knows how much power this transfer case will hold. I want the engine bay to look mostly like any other rod, nice finned valve covers, some air cleaner covering the ugly ass injection and nothing of the turbo visible except for the charge pipe coming up from underneath somewhere. The turbo itsefl will reside under the right side of the bed just behind the running board looking from the side, high up close to the bed floor so I don't have to run an oil return pump. The turbo itself is from an international 444e diesel which is the same as a 7.3 Powerstroke found in larger Ford F series. I am trying to keep everything Ford on this. The turbo is rated for about 580 HP. I'll only be running to a max of about 10 psi with 5 more usual. The turbo which was pulled from a brand new engine. The engine and cab showing off the new headers. A pre-channel mockup. There will be no bling wheels, no bright ugly colors, and a black and red flat original F1 style paint job. If anyone wants to see more pictures.. look here. http://picasaweb.google.com/stragedy/ProjectTruck