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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 50Fraud, May 6, 2007.

  1. 50Fraud
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    Bluto, do you mean that Siata/Fiats are slow? My observation is that they respond very well to tuning, and are very compe***ive in vintage racing. Parts are a bit of a challenge.

    About the flathead: top exhausts suggest Cad, but the heads look more like Ford; transmission is at the wrong end for a Cord. I ***ume that French Ford/Simca motors have exhausts like an American flathead. I'm stumped.
     
  2. fiat128
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    A big hint, it is a V-4 (yes, as not in a straight line)
     
  3. metalshapes
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    Lancia?
     
  4. Bluto
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    I have driven ''Vintage race cars'' all over the world...honestly I still own a bunch of racing cars..... they are fun to muck-about'n
    BUT!!!
    Vintage Racing?..... Vintage racing is like peein' in your pants.... fells hot to you but to everyone around you.... your just peein' in your pants

    If you don't believe me put a watch on any of the training vans rounding Laguna with a load of ''Vintage racer students'' The kids driving would out qualify most cars for the pole that weekend...Sorry that's the truth

    The only places that vintage racing really looks like racing to me are the lakes and salt races.... and many of em are still slower than the need to be

    Sorry, just a thought
     
  5. metalshapes
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    Haha...I should have just looked at your profile...:D

    Lancia had a link to France?

    I did not know that...
     
  6. SimonSez
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    The flathead is not Cadillac, or Simca.

    To narrow it down a bit , it is English ...
     
  7. metalshapes
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    '36- '37 Standard?
     
  8. fiat128
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    The Augusta was also built in France as the "Belna". I don't know the exact particulars but I think it was a Lancia plant or a partnership, sorta like the US Fiat plant in NY. Quite a few of these survive but the Augusta is pretty rare (My theory is that they were all blown up in WWII)

    I tried to post pictures before but somehow deleted them, here it is:
     

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    Vintage racers are certainly not the same animal as skilled pro racing drivers (Moss and Hill and a few others excepted), but if you want to drive fast in your old race car, what other legal avenue do you have? And if you want to compare the performance of your old crock with that of somebody else's, there is no responsible alternative at all. I might have said, "I've driven a fast Fiat 8V", but that seems less credible than to say that they are compe***ive at Laguna.

    Furthermore -- I'd much rather watch vintage races at Monterey than any current real racing series. Not because the drivers are remarkable -- for the most part they're not -- but because the cars are so much more interesting. If you don't agree with that, I'm surprised.

    Okay, OT over.
     
  10. metalshapes
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    Here is another one.

    This should be pretty easy...

    What is this?
     

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    One more...

    Hint on this one and the one I posted earlyer...

    Neither started out as a Car Engine, but they were later used in cars.
     

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  13. fiat128
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    Wow! I had the 8v and the Holden but these last two have me pretty stumped (and that flathead, I'm going to check out what 30s Bentley engines look like).

    The first one looks like it's British, maybe an MG or Austin (didn't start as a car, was a tractor / pump engine right?). I can't figure out what that contraption is, a stationary pump or something.

    Second one looks like an aircraft engine or a boat. Lycoming ?
     
  14. metalshapes
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    You are on the right track with both of them.

    They both became succesfull Racing Engines...
     
  15. Lotek_Racing
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    Metalshapes: Yup, it's a BRM H16

    You've posted a Hispano Suiza up top there.

    I've got another for you but I have to get out to my driveway with a camera.

    Shawn
     
  16. metalshapes
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    Yeah, Hispano Suiza...:)

    Racers would cut them in half to fit a racing cl***.

    Not as common with Drag Racers, but here is one.


    How about the other Engine?

    Edit.
    50Fraud got the H16 before I did...
     

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  17. Lotek_Racing
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    I'm stumped on that one. The valvecover almost looks like a Triumph 4-banger but I don't think that's it..

    Shawn
     
  18. Nominal
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    Coventry Climax fire pump engine?
     
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    How about this one - currently on my garage floor awaiting attention for a stripped fibre cam gear.
     

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    Toyota Land Cruiser 6 ?
     
  22. Lotek_Racing
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    Ok.. how 'bout this one:

    [​IMG]

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  23. Lotek_Racing
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    Is that Fiat V4 the same as the Arriel Square Four I've heard about?

    I've never seen one, just read about them.

    Shawn
     
  24. metalshapes
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    A 1172 Sidevalve Ford with the distributor missing?
     
  25. Lotek_Racing
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    Close, it's definately a sidevalve.

    Think of England..
     
  26. metalshapes
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    Not a English Ford?
     
  27. Lotek_Racing
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    It's a Morris 1500 sidevalve..

    From my 1953 Morris Oxford.

    With the distributor AND starter missing thank-you.

    Gonna look pretty cleaned and painted in my living room.

    Shawn
     
  28. SimonSez
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    It's gotta be a holden six if it's got a stripped cam gear!

     
  29. metalshapes
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    I was way off on that one....:)
     
  30. fiat128
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    I don't know anything about the Arriel motor, what's the story with it - is this a boxer type engine?

    The V-4 was a Lancia thing. It has a very narrow angle (4 degrees or 14 something like that). There's a reason behind it, like they could make them shorter or something like that. It's a pretty neat motor, notice the aluminum block from 1934. The pulley at the top had a twin blade fan cast on it. This was a cheaper car for them and .

    They made the v-4s into the 60s until Fiat bought them out. The old school (or is that skool?) Lancia guys veiw Fiat like the devil for "ruining the company". Truth is Lancia was better at designing stuff than selling it and making money.

    This engine ID is pretty entertaining, I'm kinda surprized I can recognize any of them. I guess all those years with my nose stuck in car magazines and having my head in other peoples hoods was good for something.
     

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