Wiring help....I am sooo frustrated please help me

Sorry if this is a long post but i want to get as much info in here as possible.

So I busted my butt off for a few weeks here and there after work to get my wiring done. I used the rebel 9+3 kit (and let me say the instructions on this thing do not help at all when you need to hook up a turn signal). I got it finished and my car fired right up. I was using the original turn single switch and light switch. Well I was testing my brakes and lights. Everything was working right except for my turn singles and brake lights. So i figured I would go out and get a after market turn single and light switch. I hooked up the turn single first. But I was kinda stuck on it. The new turn signal has the normal hook ups for the front and back turn signals as well as the brake switch.

So as I was hooking this up I noticed on the instructions to the turn signal it says you need to hook up the L and P flasher terminal to the switch. Well the good old rebel wiring only has one wire to hook up to turn signals and its the flasher wire. The only other wire that rebel has is the hazard wire on my kit and this turn single doesn't support hazards. So i ended up hooking up both the hazards and the flasher wire to both the P and L wires on my turn signals. My signals were working perfectly. I checked my brakes. They were working perfectly. So I hook up the new light switch exactly how the rebel manual says.

I test my lights and whoops......none of my lights work at all. Some how there is no power to any of my lights. I have to hook up a separate power source to my lights to get them to work. The head light power wire in the rebel kit says to splice and I did that. I figured this is the power for the light switch. So because this doesn't work I cant get my lights hooked up. So i reroute things here and there have a different power source and all my stuff starts to work. So i turn on my parking lights...and its working. Then my head lights and all the lights as working. So I try my turn signals. Well the left is working but for some reason the parking lights is flashing on the right side a small amount. Then the same thing happens with my right turn signal. The left parking light flashes a small amount. So I try my brakes and look at that only the right brake light is working when my lights are on. The left side doesn't come on at all and the left parking light brightens up a bit. So here I am stuck. Everything kinda works when my lights are off. But when my lights are on my brake lights don't work. I cant hook up my light switch properly because the head light power wire from the rebel kit isn't giving off power. This kit has a 3rd brake light. I hooked up the brake switch power to the brake switch. I hooked the white brake wire to the other side of the brake switch. And the column white brake wire to the turn single. I really don't know where the hell I am going wrong here. I am so confused and my brain is fried. Please help me here.

 

pos(+) to brake pedal switch, line from switch to rear brake lights(+), rear brake lights(-) to turn signal switch(one left and one right), turn switch to relay, relay to ground(-).

think of the switch as a 3 way switch- middle constant source to ground(both lights brake on)

down position- *left* goes through relay then grounds and flashes.
up position- *right* goes through relay then grounds and flashes.

 

PS---- how the hell can you tell whats going on with that MESS of wire under the dash.....

 

I had to just stuff it under there so i could drive to the car show yesterday

 

I hooked up the stuff like this. The Brake switch power (orange wire in the rebel kit) to one side of my brake switch. The brake switch wire (white on the rebel kit) to the other end of the brake switch. Now the third brake switch wire (white on the rebel kit) to the brake switch wire on the turn single. The two white brake switch wires from the rebel harness are split off the 3rd brake light wire (orange on the rebel kit) that runs to the rear of the car.

 

Not much advice here, but I used that same signal switch from Speedway. Notice the instructions and diagram don't match up for wires #3 and 4. The multimeter is your friend

 

forget that damn harness..... just wire it the way i told you and itll work perfect. those things always over complicate things in my opinion(which alot of people hate anyway hah)

also as stated before, multi meter. put it on ohms..... check for continuity on each position. find which is middle, left and right. just keep in mind that electricity has a flow all the switch is doing is choosing that flow.

 

LOL ya I figured that out when i hit my brakes the front left parking light came on lol.

 

Well the shit works perfect until i turn my lights on. What are the P and L wires on the turn signal for? The rebel kit only has a flasher and hazard wire. So how do I wire up the P & L wire to the signal switch?

 

not everything needs to be used. maybe park and light(as in indicator).. who knows. but just because something is there doesnt mean it needs to be used. they always give you extra stuff on them harnesses.

 

Ya but the switch wount work unless i have both the P & L hooked up

 

It says p flasher and L flasher so if i may make a wild guess the p is power to the flasher and the L is the load side of the flasher but i see where there is another terminal that gets power so id suggest this is the switiching side of the flasher follow the schematic and you will see the p terminal connected to the flasher and the L side going back into the switch . Any thing on the flasher? sometimes they have a lil schematic It prolly needs power to work but also has to switch the power back and forth while flashing. I cant help you on flashers just because ive never really reaserched on how they work but im curious now
I love wiring and like the others said a multimeter can be your friend. I never use a test light. I wanna see power and how much. No as far as whats screwed up id have to be there then i could fix it. Im not buying that all devices like a turn signal switch have wires that are not needed but wire harness kits do.

Dave

 

Im also confused here on why you would hook the p and L wires to your turnsignals and flashers when those terminals get hook to the turn signal switch and no where else. wires 1 thru 4 go to the signal lights ??? Im thinking your confused here and the switch they meant is the actual signal switch as there is a flasher included but the cheap bastards dont hook it up for you.

Dave

 

Yep, me too!

 

Ya that was kinda funny hit the brake and a front turn signal comes on . I have seen shit like that happen though due to poor grounds. Make sure everything is grounded good too

Its all there ya just have to sit down and take a lil time. If you wire it just like the distructions tell you to it will work That is unless you do sumpin totally wrong and burn the sucker up!

 

This stuff scares me, and is the main reason I sell my projects before they need any wire work. The race cars I'll keep, they only have plug wires and little reason to burst into frame.

 

By burning up i meant the signal switch not the car. Thats why they have fuses but while playing with wires and not understanding how stuff works you have the possibility of applying power and back feeding the system and screwing it up. I was young once so I know how this works
Dave

 

The rebel kit has two flashers in it that are 2 terminal flashers. One for the signals and one for a hazard flasher.

The column wiring in the kit includes the fallowing

Turn Sig Connect
_______________

Horn = LT Green (i didnt hook this up and there is a horn relay in the rebel fuse box)

L. Front Signal = LT Blue (This is hooked up to the #4 wire on the turn single switch witch is a green wire)

R. Front Signal = Blue (This is hooked up to the #2 wire on the turn single switch witch is a Sky Blue wire)

Hazzard Flasher = Brown (this shouldnt be hooked up since the turn signal switch doesnt suport it but I hooked it up to the #6 wire on the signal switch witch is a red wire and is the Flasher L terminal hook up on the switch)

Turn Sig Flasher = Purple (hooked it up to the #7 wire on the signal switch witch is a yellow wire and is the Flasher P terminal hook up on the switch)

L. Rear Signal = Yellow (this is hooked up to the #3 wire on the signal switch witch is a dark blue wire)

R. Rear Signal = Green (this is hooked up to the #1 wire on the signal switch witch is a black wire)

Brake Light Switch = White (this is hooked up to the #5 wire on the signal switch witch is a orange wire)


But like I said before all the brake lights and turn signals work perfect till I turn my lights on. Thats when the issues start

 

ok tell me this what the hell is the rebel 9+3 or what ever it is kit.? Is this a wiring kit? If so Id ignore the fact that it has a signal flasher . Now the flasher switch diagram you have shows that it has a 3 wire flasher. Does it have one with it? If not id find one and again wire it up just like the signal kit says and ignore the flasher in your wire kit. Does that help you any.
Dave

 

I doubt ill be back on this evening but ill try and check tomorrow and see if we have made any sense of this.. Good luck
Dave

 

its so hard for me to figure all this out without being there. but do you have your regular lights wired to the same ground as the brake lights?

i say fuck the wiring harness and just try it the way i posted. ground your taillights to the body and run the other up front like i said.

 

http://www.rebel-wire.com/

there is a vendor who sells these on the hamb as well.

I was thinking the same dang thing. Go out and buy a new flasher box and rewire it up. But then how the heck would I wire up my indicator lights? Also this i dont think would fix the fact that my light switch isnt working properly either. Fuck I hate wiring sooooo much and I have to say it sorry Rebel wiring sellers but the instructions in the wiring kit is frustrating for a buick

 

wiring is SO much easier without the harness..... i think those things are a waste of time. you would run your indicator lights off the OUT line from the flasher. if you have a 2 wire flasher then the IN line on the flasher.

ok, look.... tell me what you are running on your car, lights and accessory's, and ill make a whole schematic for your car. hell ill just make one and post in anyway cuz im fucking bored. give me a few minutes.

 

I have two sets of lights. One for parking and another for the turn sig / brake in the back of the car. My tail lights are grounded through the sockets they plug into in the back of the car. Say if i have my lights on and pull out one of the lights out of the light bezel (as in the light is still plugged in to the wires ect.) the light will turn off.

 

Okay my car is a 51 Buick series 40

I am running dash lights, light switch, the high beam dimer switch, parking lights, brake switch, turn signals, head lights, turn signal and high bean indicator lights, fuel gauge, volt meter (my only powered gauge's the rest are manual)

 

ok here it is.

 

as far as indicator lights you just add another line to the ones already comming off for the main ones.

in the case for the high beam run a line from the high out side of the switch.

for the turn indicators run a light off the IN lines from the switch.

 

Asher,
Just got back from The Rust Revival and saw your post. Bob and I are both here in Illinois and are going to try to get you straightened out on this. Ok...here we go...

First of all as previously stated the kit you got from Speedway is marked incorrectly on #3 and #4, but even though we've run into this not sure which is wrong on thier drawings. So with that in mind here's how to hook up the turn signal switch with our kit. If the turn signals don't flash correctly with this hook up, switch #3 and #4 to correct the problem.

#1 black wire Rt. Rear Turn goes to Rebel green Rt. Rear Turn.
#2 sky blue wire Rt. Front Turn goes to Rebel blue Rt. Front Turn.
#3 dark blue wire Lt Front Turn goes to Rebel light blue Lt. Front Turn.
#4 cyan wire Lt. Rear Turn goes to Rebel yellow Lt. Rear Turn.
#5 orange wire Stop Switch goes to Rebel white Brake Switch.
#6 red wire Flasher L Terminal goes to Rebel purple Turn Flasher.
#7 yellow Flasher P Terminal....Do Not Use.....The reason for this is our flasher is pre-wired in the kit. We do all the work for you on this part.

Since you are not using hazard flashers, do not hook up the Rebel brown hazard flasher wire.

Next, what kind of headlight switch are you using? We can walk you through this also.

Bob will be here this evening so if you want to call, or want to send me your number we can talk you through this. My number here is 618-395-8216.

I know this seems complicated at this point, but it really isn't. We want to help you get this worked out as soon as possible.

Bob and Glenn at Rebel Wire

 

Asher,
If for some reason you can't get back to us tonight, Bob will be back at the shop in Tennessee late tomorrow night. The number there is 423-240-8452, or 352-360-3506 and leave a message.

Glenn and Bob at Rebel Wire

 

Now thats service!