How do you answer the question ,, When someone asks ..Look at this ( work on a car/motorcycle,etc) Or sends a picture, or posts a picture .. And it looks, well , Not so good ..Poor welds, poor design, whatever Do you follow the thundering herd and say "nice" ? Or do you just say the truth and point out the faults I don't like to offend people but, the questions come up often What would you do ?
Major safety faux pas must be pointed out. If it's just a matter of style, might not be worth mentioning unless they're asking for tips, or you can present it in a positive manner. You don't just congratulate a person on the outcome, you also congratulate their effort. We're all on different rungs of the vehicle ladder.
I have found 9 time out of 10, If you tell anyone on this board that there stuff is anything but THE BEST .... You will get him & 50 other guys telling you off in one way or another. But if its **** i will call it **** ...... If its NICE i will say its NICE. Seems like there are alot of guys that FLUFF it up on here to make themselves look like the GOOD GUY... or they just have NO CLUE
I see this, as when you get handed a picture of a homely wife, or funny-looking kids... The person is showing you, because they have a lot of pride in the subject of the picture... If it's a vehicle, I use the phrase, "that's a really interesting ______, you have there". I'll pick out something that (hopefully) I noticed that I did actually like about the ride...no matter how miniscule. That will usually divert the conversation to "how they got that part", or "made that panel", and you're off the hook...
Well, in this paticular case .. It is a guy off another web site , nice parts to work with but Oh baby .. He must of not liked his roll cage welds (a couple times) and where it is "notched" looks like the figure 8 I want to say JOE ..not his name, cut that sheet out and do it over not to mention the design of the cage is FUBAR too
Cage is a safety issue. Call it as you see it. My mom always told me if I can't say anything nice not to say anything at all... so I just point and laugh.
Funny part is post has had 186 views .. No response . That would give me a red flag right there Guess I'll just do like everyone else ..shut up
Man tell him the truth, maybe I have the tact of a major road accident but I just cant praise ****. At least, if you must tell him it ****s in the nicest way you can, Im an *** hole and am known for it so I dont hold back. As this is also a safety issue even if your not the kind of guy to say anything bad he needs to kow that it can kill him or others!!
If he asks about the paint color, and you say " looks great", then he goes to a show and he gets laughed at he may be pissed at you for not shooting straight. If he asks about the car and you don't say anything about the cage, he rolls it racing, then how are you going to feel. Safety first means just that. Safety over hurt feelings. ****s that you have to be the "bad guy", but really you're being the good guy.
There's a difference between: "Here's the new car/project I just bought" and "What do you think of this _____? I'm not a fluffer. I've been bashed many times for telling what I think. I respect someone who gives it to me straight. Good or bad. I don't get offended. If you ask for an opinion,be prepared for the truth. You ask 10 guys "what do you think of _____?" You're gonna get a mix of opinions.
Considering it's a Cage, you're OBLIGATED to (at least in private) tell him to fix it. the only thing worse than not having a cage in a crash is having a BAD cage in a crash. It's the idea of playing Human Plinko combined with Jousting I don't like. as far as Telling someone their **** is anything but...Well we have thick skin here at Crushproof...we expect everyone else to, also. Case and point-There is an Early De Soto coupe here at the shop. when it first rolled in , all but 2 of the fellas said the same thing to the owner. "You're gonna fix that, right?" the other 2 were at lunch. little while later, and we have removed the Vinyl/galvanized sheet metal/fibergl*** mat/fibergl*** resin (bout 2 inches)/styrofoam home insulation/plywood/lead/bondo/erector set peices/drywall screw/nails/spray foam insulation roof insert, the not so *****in Trailer fenders (that covered exactly half of the Mickey thompson tires) 4 inch chop, (those a pillars are tricky) and we will soon be moving on to gettint the motor and trans off the ground, switching the 4 link front to hairpins, doing SOMETHING to the atrocious ladder bar set up (ugh.) and building a transmission tunnel. after that, all we have left is...everything.
No. Don't hold back on cage welds. My dad held back in 56; lost his best friend off the end of Detroit Dragway 'cuz the cage welds failed. Tell him the welds were by a blind retarded senile ***got - anything to get him to rethink and rework them. Don't feel bad if he hates you - feel good that you may have saved his life. It's been 52 years; Pop still misses eddie, man. Do it for eddie.
I'm picky ..so maybe I don't know **** I can see the welds and, well .. ahhh yuk Not to mention where that knee knocker is .. geez
exactly, he is asking you maybe because in the back of his mind he knows the answer. Don't belittle him by saying "jesus you paid for/did this ****? you're really stupid" just do what he asked for. give him your opinion, shoot straight whether he is going to like the answer or not. especially on the cage. I've had people point things out to me on my ch***is, most of the time, they are pointing out what is not finished yet. But sometimes they are right, whether I want to see it or not. And at the end of the day, I'm glad they spoke up.
I say Tell it like it is! When i post stuff, I hope for positive feedback, meaning I want honest opinions! Good or bad, I want feedback. No feedback scares the Hell out of me, kinda like "WTF did i do wrong here?" so when you say 186 views and no replys I understand. kinda like this post: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=194505 140 views and one reply. OH well...
That cage look's like dog ****, tell him like it is, if it was me i'd redo it change a few things around like the knee knocker, and the welds, then add some gussets in the corners, then clean it all up and paint to match the car. It's a safety issue so don't feel bad about saying anything, what you say could save his life so go for it, and if he say's your an *** hole, well **** happens.
That is one of the good pics .. gets worse He just told me he was going to take it to local drag strip to have "tech" see if it will certify
I've found out that most times even when people ask your opinion they only want to hear how much you love it. When I post something I am seeking for opinons - good and bad. But when the "bad" happens I don't simply want to hear "that's ****" - I want to know WHY. I've posted stuff where on certain aspects I DIDN'T want to hear opinions - as I already KNEW it was ****. No sense in "rolling in it" so I try to keep the focus on other places. I've seen some real **** on the HAMB where people have lined up to praise how cool it was. Well those are all OPINIONS - and it wasn't on anything critical so I just keep walking. NO HARM - NO FOUL. I've also seen stuff that looked marginal - so I've asked questions - I'm maybe 50/50 on having the poster even acknowledge me. I have no problem with that - hey I tried to help them - they don't want to hear it then there's nothing I can do. I wholeheartedly agreee with those comments about SAFETY. You owe it to YOURSELF to comment honestly. If they ever got hurt or hurt anyone else and you knew you could have possibly prevented it - how would you sleep at night. The HAMB's funny that way. We seem to turn a blind eye when we can call it "traditional". It's like a super get out of jail free card that we think will magically protect our foolishness. Like (dare I say) running no front brakes - shear foolishness no matter how you slice it. (let the flaming begin) Tell him the truth - be polite - if he is pissed then them's the breaks - if he's an adult - he'll appreciate your honesty.
I tell the truth all the time...they may not like the answer, but then again, they may start thinkin, and change it....in this case, tell him, a cage is nothing to mess around with
would it be better to just tell him or for him to find this and see you talking about it to someone else? be honest and constructive.
I've kept it fairly nice ..I think ? and mostly vanilla .. I wanted to say something but thought I'd come across a bigger **** munch Can't win
If I can't say something nice, I don't say anything unless it's a safety issue. And even then, I will say, "You might want to......".
I try to be honest and truthful. I want the same in return. Good or bad. I try to put it tactfully if its bad though.
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